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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Stein welcome back to the power

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cast with gene and Chris we have a

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fascinating episode this week about a

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fascinating book written by a

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fascinating character James carrion it's

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called the Rosetta deception I will tell

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you what that means later on okay it's

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not Rosetta as in what Apple used to

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translate code for old PowerPC apps it's

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not the rosetta stone it's not the

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company it sells you kits on how to

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learn Spanish or French or something

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it's something far more encompassing we

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get to that later

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so last week I don't know Chris if we

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broke our spell we had several really

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great guests last week olaf phillips

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presented to me is an expert on

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conspiracy theories and i thought

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frankly you know more about some of the

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subjects he dealt with and he did that's

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my job gene but we bring on guests for

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their expertise not to show how smart we

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are well yeah again I've always kind of

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made it my goal to ask a question of our

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guests that they don't know the answer

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to and then supply them in the ants with

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the answer and then have them thank me

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that's every show that's my goal so you

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know I rarely attain that goal but yeah

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Olaf I think he seemed a little nervous

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I don't think he's really that

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experienced with doing shows such as a

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pair of cast I think you know majority

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of shows and podcasts out there this has

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been their disbelief and sit back and

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just kind of let the guests sort of hold

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sway over the entire conversation of

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course we attempt to ask probing

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questions and oftentimes we we do and

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well most times I should say and I think

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well I've seemed a little hesitant to

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really get into some areas and also

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didn't seem as up to speed as I as I

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assumed he would be

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I mean he's involved in this

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organization that puts out radio shows

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and everything so he has to be

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experienced of that he's been on the

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major shows but as you say a lot of

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radio shows just bring on people like

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that they pander to their audience and

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they let these people say nonsensical

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things and they don't probe they don't

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ask logical questions take a conclusion

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- it's its ultimate answer where it

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might lead and I thought as I said that

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he really had the surface information

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that anybody can get reading a few books

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are going on the internet and I guess

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he's done well with that you know well

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how many books he's read but you could

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tell he definitely had a quite a bit of

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internet I think based knowledge but

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when you get into the kinds of subject

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matters that that he's diving into you

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really need to do your homework and you

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need to read a lot and that that's a

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problem I think that we're seeing have

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every year I just get a sense more and

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more that people are relying too much on

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the internet and not really doing the

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the heavy lifting the deep digging into

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reading the kinds of books and

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supplemental material that really give

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you more of a inside track and and in a

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width and breadth of knowledge that you

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just can't find on the internet with

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many of these subjects it doesn't hurt

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to do some on-site investigation when

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you have the opportunity but even then

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you've got to learn what you're doing

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you don't just walk into a place and ask

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questions you've got to know what to ask

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how to ask it and that's not something

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that you learn very easily it requires

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practice and training to know what

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you're doing know well well we could do

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a whole show just on that subject we've

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done a few about investigators kits and

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stuff like that but this is a very

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important point anyway the shows out

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there make of it what you will I don't

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think it's our best but I certainly

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think we tried and we gave him a fair

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chance to present his point of view now

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we still have that wacky thread on the

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para cast forums entitled Ryan's Skinner

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skinwalker ranch of course Ryan was on

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the show several times

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talking about his couple of books on

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skinwalker ranch and that's erupted into

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a major debate in our forums at forum

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dr. Peric ascom having a hard time

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keeping up with it oh boy yeah sometimes

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these topics or threads take on a life

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of their own and lots of people get

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involved surprising people get involved

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no well you know I'm really not sure

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what to make of it I think our new

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poster dissection stalker I think his

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name is his avatar name is yeah some

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very interesting points

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I think he's pointed out some very

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interesting things concerning the

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possibility of military and government

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involvement at the Sherman ranch when

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the skinwalker ranch if you will and

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that many of these types of stories that

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have have been told you know either in

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hunt of the skinwalker of course the nap

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and Kelleher book and it Ryan's

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experiences up there a lot of these are

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apocryphal they they tend to be purely

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anecdotal in nature there does appear on

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some level to be some slight of hand

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going on there are some questions about

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what was going on at the ranch and in

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that area prior to Terry Sherman and

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Gwen Sherman acquiring the ranch

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of course Frank Salsbury who we had on

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the show a couple of years back insists

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that there was really nothing going on

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his protege jr. Hicks has made some

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statements that dissections stalker has

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taken exception to and he is bringing up

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some some good points I think he's

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badgering people a little too much

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I think he's his tone lacks the kind of

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gravitas and respect that most posters

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on the podcast forum use and you know I

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do have a little bit of an issue with

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the quality and method of delivery that

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he's using but he is bringing up some

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very very salient points and I think

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many of these points

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I think are worthy of further

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investigation and are worthy of some

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some serious consideration I I do well I

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think perhaps as you say he could sell

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it better if he just calms down tried to

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be more respectful get his points across

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I think people will pay more attention

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because you know if you start attacking

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somebody you jump in on the attack

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people get up their hackles you know

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they get resentful and that doesn't

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solve anything

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we also were visited by the way by a

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famous UFO paranormal skeptic James

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Oberg who dropped in for a couple of

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messages and I'd like to get him on the

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so we'll see I know him casually years

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ago so let's see what happens yeah that

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would be fun James Oberg you're

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listening James let's get you on the

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show

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speaking of someone who is also taking a

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skeptical approach to a lot of these

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subjects now James carrion was the

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former director of MUFON left under not

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very pleasant terms which he described

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and he's come up with this book called

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the Rosetta deception and it goes back

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to a program that apparently existed

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during World War two and after involving

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basically disinformation impacting the

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Cold War impacting Joseph Stalin who he

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calls Uncle Joe

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rather interesting but it also creates

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some fascinating possibilities about the

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early start of the UFO field now the

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book does cover ghosts rockets but it

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also leaves open lots of possibilities I

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want to get into with James when we get

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him on the show and the first is of

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course the fact that one of the members

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of this rosetta group famously is very

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well known in intelligence circles but

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in civilian life I'm not going to

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mention his name yet I will when we get

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into the episode in civilian life he

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became part of the investigation into

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UFOs can you have to wonder about the

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implications here this

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book is a bit dry it's not something

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that you can read in one setting you

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guys sit back and digest all the

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information Chris and I did it so we

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know we've gone through and we've read

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this book from cover to cover it has a

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lot of implications and it's really only

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a start know some great research though

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really you really pulled out all the

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stops when he when he gathered together

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all this information my hat's off to him

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an amazing amount of research and go get

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a copy of the book it's called the

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Rosetta deception you can get it on

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Amazon the author is James carrion and

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he's coming up next so sit back and

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listen to this this is one from Mendes

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piece of work with Jean and Chris you're

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in the para cast first game attack of

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the rock codes and it was a critically

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acclaimed success and now there's the

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coming of the protectors a former

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military intelligence man is contacted

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by a space woman in a dream a dream that

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turns out to be a nightmare because evil

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forces on our distant planet are

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planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

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and the coming of the protectors find

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para cast calm the book is called the

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Rosetta deception the author is James

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carry on as I say it's a tremendous

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piece of research a tremendous amount of

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work went into this book but it's not

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something that is something just read

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like a novel you got to sit down read

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pay attention a lot of information James

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welcome back to the Parekh s so I think

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we need to go back in time to talk about

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your background first before we get into

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this book now before you were a director

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of MUFON you had a military intelligence

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background didn't you that's correct

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well it was a very short time in the

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military I spent four years as a signals

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intelligence analyst / Russian linguist

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during my early 20s so I joined the

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military right out of high school and

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for the four years I was in the Army I

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essentially worked on behalf of the NSA

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that place so it's not just a bunch of

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nerds and cubicles not at all and

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actually we were the military's more the

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gophers of the NSA they're the ones that

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intercept and gather the low-level

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intelligence the thing

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sent back to afford me it works all

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aggregated and analyzed

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now you mentioned here being a Russian

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linguist so you speak fluent Russian no

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I wouldn't say that I went to language

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school for a year out in Monterey

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California it was a very intensive

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language class and I learned how to read

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it and I learned the basics of it but I

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definitely don't call myself fluent okay

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you didn't use rosetta as your language

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training not at all okay all right so

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what attracted you to this subject

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because it's not something that you just

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do casually you had to do a tremendous

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amount of research to put this together

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what got you involved in this well you

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know actually I find it fairly

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fascinating the synchronicity of my

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whole journey because it actually

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started when I was in childhood when I

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was I guess around the age of 11 I spent

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a lot of time clipping newspaper

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articles out of tabloids about aliens

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and UFOs all these tabloid publications

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my mom would subscribe to so it's it's

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ironic in a way that I started off my

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interests with the media and how the

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media covered it only to much later as I

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show in the book that the Intelligence

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Agency use agencies use the same media

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to to push out their deception okay so

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where did you first see evidence that a

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deception existed I would have to say

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during the time I was in MUFON you know

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when I first joined the organization

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just like everybody else I was very

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curious I wanted to know why this

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subject was still a mystery and the more

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I started to look into it the more I

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started to research it and the higher

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that I got up in the organization the

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more I could see that there was a large

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element of human deception involved a

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lot of the cases for example that I

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investigated personally during MUFON

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there was no paranormal there was no

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extraterrestrial aspect to a lot of

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these cases a lot of it boiled down to

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you know strange people passing strange

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stories

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of questionable backgrounds and really

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trying to spend the whole rumor mill

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around the subject can you give us one

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or two examples of the strange people

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doing the spins or the spin control sure

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well there are quite a few examples when

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I joined Mullins board there was a

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gentleman who claimed that he was had

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substantial financial resources he

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wanted to help MUFON out and he kept

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spitting the story to the MUFON board

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how he was going to contribute vast

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amounts of money and it never

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materialized the guy would you know say

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okay I'm gonna set up this sort of

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project I would have fun at this level

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I'm gonna send you this check never

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happened

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so characters like this as sort of just

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came in came out and you know they

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really never panned out or it could be

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for example let's take for example one

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of the one of the MUFON conferences back

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I think it was in 2007

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where we have this gentleman who who

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came to the symposium to speak and he

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actually had this very elaborate tale of

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how he was a sheriff's deputy for a

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famous in an area where they had a

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famous UFO case and he wrote this

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elaborate investigation that he did and

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it all turned out to be just complete

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lies so we get a lot of these strange

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characters that just pop into the to the

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UFO Pheo they make these grandiose

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claims and in none of its which really

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pans out and sometimes they just up and

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disappear don't they exactly we never

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hear from them again we never see from

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them see them again all right now this

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is fascinating this is really

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fascinating how this works would you

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care to name the person who was at that

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MUFON conference you know actually I

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don't really want to because I I think

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after I left MUFON I'll be honest I

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really try to distance myself as much as

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possible from the UFO field because what

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I found found is that a lot of the

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infighting that happens within ufology

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of people pointing fingers and and

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basically calling each other names and

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and my my evidence

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more important than your evidence or

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this person's you know spinning a story

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in Lyon but I'm telling the truth

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all of this infighting all it really

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does is it just creates in muddies the

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water even more than they already are

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so realize any conquer exactly it's all

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about dividing conquer so I really

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wouldn't let when I left MUFON I thought

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you know what I really this is not going

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to be a issue of persona it's not going

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to be about people it's really gonna be

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about evidence what can I do and what

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can I dig up and what can I research

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that's pure evidence it has nothing to

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do with eyewitness testimony and there

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has nothing to do with purported claims

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that can't be substantiated I really

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wanted to go out there and document in a

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very methodical and throw away the

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actual research that I did it has

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nothing to do with people themselves now

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how does this lead us to the Roseto

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deception well this is you know actually

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I started off wanting to write a book

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about the early days of UFOs in 1947

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specifically around Maury Island around

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Kenneth Arnold around Roswell because to

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me those are those three cases that have

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that all came in such a concentrated

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period of time in 1947 I have a feeling

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or more than a feeling I think there's

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evidence to show that there is there's

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government deception that is a thread

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that runs through those three cases but

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before I could get started with that I

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said you know I need to go back a little

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earlier because of course if I come out

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with a roswell book somebody's gonna say

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well how about the ghost rockets of 1946

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or how about the pyramids or how about

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this you know they always want to point

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to the evidence that preceded the the

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modern day UFO era and I thought you

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know what it doesn't hurt to go back in

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early a year earlier to 1946 and take a

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look into that time frame and what I

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found was as I started digging into that

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time frame I started finding evidence

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that simply no one else has bothered to

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present or just discarded and I thought

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okay this is where I'm gonna start I'm

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gonna start you know showing precedent

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I'm gonna start showing that there is a

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deception thread that started even

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before of the modern-day UFO UFO era

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okay now this is a very complicated

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story we're going to go into it now and

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then look at the natural implications

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where this leads to and how it may

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interact with the UFO field in some

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surprising ways the book again is called

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the Rosetta deception from James carry

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on and you get a copy over at Amazon

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we've had a link over at the para cast

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forums and on our site so if you click

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on that link we get you know one send

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commission or something like that how

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know with Jean and Chris you're in the

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Kane and I'm with the Coalition for

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freedom of information and you are

631
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listening to the podcast okay this is an

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involved story folks he's looking for

633
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maybe something a specific fact James

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carry on or something that may be

635
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involved with government deception and

636
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its interaction with these early UFO

637
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cases ghost rockets Roswell Kenneth

638
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:31,770
Arnold how does that all interact and I

639
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gather here from reading the book James

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this stuff is out there for the most

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part it just took someone like you to

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think of the natural implications and

643
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put it all together yeah I think I think

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what it really takes is not ignoring

645
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evidence I think that in the UFO field

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even those folks that are considered the

647
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most notable and gifted researchers they

648
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have a tendency to ignore evidence let's

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take for example those the alleged you

650
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know LA raid that happened I think it

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was 1942 where you know a lot of you

652
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follow just will point back to that and

653
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say oh there was an early UFO even

654
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before Kenneth Arnold happened

655
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but they completely ignore that just a

656
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few days before that air raid and before

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we sort of bombarding this guy with with

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projectiles because we thought something

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was flying over during during the

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warriors just two days before that there

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were submarines Japanese submarines as

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surfaced off the coast of California and

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shelled the the the harbor so they tend

664
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to ignore that because what they want to

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not show is that there was a reason why

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these people that were sitting behind

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these guns these these air defense guns

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their nerves were so afraid they already

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felt like there was going to be an

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imminent imminent invasion of the

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homeland based on these two submarines

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that popped up and started shelling in

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California of course they're gonna shoot

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at anything that they perceive is flying

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over but so that kind of ignoring the

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the circumstances around it the more

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mundane aspect of things and focusing on

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the sensational and on the extraordinary

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is what really sort of worked me as a

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researcher so I thought you know I

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really need to focus on down-to-earth

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terrestrial explanation for some of

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these things that were happening and as

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I started digging for example into the

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ghost rockets I could see just fact

686
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after fact that's been completely

687
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ignored by even the most prominent ghost

688
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rocket researchers out there well that

689
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leads me to a question Micah Hanks just

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released a book about a year year and a

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half ago that covers the ghost rockets

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and I was actually kind of slack-jawed

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at some of the information that you were

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able to come up with it I don't recall

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seeing in Micah's book in terms of ghost

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rockets being reported down in

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Mediterranean areas I think around

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Yugoslavia Italy and other places this

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this I was not aware of one thing that I

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I feel that we should actually even take

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a step further back and and look at the

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the whole phenomenon of the Foo Fighters

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where do you come down on what was going

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on with the Foo Fighters and you know

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what kind of technology was being

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developed by the Nazis at the time that

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we could pin those those objects that

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were being seen by flight crews from you

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know both sides of the conflict where do

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you come down on the whole Foo Fighter

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mystery

712
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you know I I wish I could actually offer

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some words of wisdom on that but I

714
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really can't because I really haven't

715
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studied enough about the Foo Fighters or

716
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examine any of the hard evidence that

717
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surrounds it and so I have to say that

718
00:30:40,290 --> 00:30:39,100
you know my knowledge of the Foo

719
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Fighters in the world war two era is

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very fairly limited so I really don't

721
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want to you know offer an opinion on

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that that I really can't substantiate so

723
00:30:50,820 --> 00:30:48,250
basically the evidence that you came

724
00:30:52,110 --> 00:30:50,830
across you put together didn't go into

725
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:52,120
the Foo Fighters they went into the

726
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ghost Rockets correct the book starts in

727
00:31:02,580 --> 00:30:58,500
1946 right in the post-war era

728
00:31:06,060 --> 00:31:02,590
now I understand here I gather Rosetta

729
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is the name you gave to this group of

730
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people who were involved in this correct

731
00:31:13,170 --> 00:31:11,980
and the reason I gave it Rosetta you'll

732
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have to get to the end of the book to

733
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really understand why but it has to do

734
00:31:21,570 --> 00:31:18,820
with my feeling is that the deception

735
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operation that took place that involve

736
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the ghost rockets would it really broke

737
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:27,060
down broke down - in terms of motivation

738
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:30,850
was we wanted I would say when we say

739
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:33,130
when I say we I mean the Allies the

740
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British and the and the Americans they

741
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really wanted to break the Russian code

742
00:31:42,030 --> 00:31:39,850
the Russian diplomatic code the same way

743
00:31:43,740 --> 00:31:42,040
that we broke the German code during the

744
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war in the Japanese code during the war

745
00:31:49,140 --> 00:31:47,290
that was the main reason behind this

746
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:49,150
group was they were interested in

747
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:51,250
breaking the code and understanding what

748
00:31:56,940 --> 00:31:54,010
Joseph Stalin was up to what he was

749
00:31:59,030 --> 00:31:56,950
thinking and the way they would do that

750
00:32:01,710 --> 00:31:59,040
is they would they would plant

751
00:32:03,060 --> 00:32:01,720
information and newspapers that they

752
00:32:05,310 --> 00:32:03,070
knew the Russians would be very

753
00:32:07,050 --> 00:32:05,320
interested in and when I talked about

754
00:32:10,050 --> 00:32:07,060
newspapers I mean newspapers here in the

755
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:10,060
United States and that would cause the

756
00:32:14,610 --> 00:32:12,370
these Russians so then take some of

757
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:14,620
these newspaper articles and encode them

758
00:32:20,190 --> 00:32:16,480
in the code we were trying to break and

759
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:20,200
transmit them back to Moscow and we were

760
00:32:24,450 --> 00:32:22,480
actually collecting you know we were

761
00:32:26,340 --> 00:32:24,460
siphoning all of those that encrypted

762
00:32:28,050 --> 00:32:26,350
communication up through some

763
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:28,060
relationships we had with the Telegraph

764
00:32:33,060 --> 00:32:30,970
companies and then we were able to sort

765
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:33,070
of reverse-engineer the code because we

766
00:32:39,769 --> 00:32:36,809
had essentially through

767
00:32:42,259 --> 00:32:39,779
I was a pressed manipulation and and

768
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:42,269
media manipulation had planted the text

769
00:32:44,899 --> 00:32:44,399
we wanted them to send back in the first

770
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:44,909
place

771
00:32:49,999 --> 00:32:47,610
so in cryptography again this is a very

772
00:32:52,190 --> 00:32:50,009
complex subject to try to cover in such

773
00:32:54,139 --> 00:32:52,200
a short period of time but in in

774
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:54,149
cryptography this is called a chosen

775
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:57,570
plaintext attack you effectively you're

776
00:33:04,220 --> 00:33:01,200
the person who wants to break a code but

777
00:33:05,779 --> 00:33:04,230
you cause your enemy to gather

778
00:33:07,549 --> 00:33:05,789
information that you've already planted

779
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:07,559
and you know what that information is

780
00:33:11,659 --> 00:33:09,690
hoping that they will encrypt it and

781
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:11,669
then you turn around and you know what

782
00:33:15,139 --> 00:33:13,529
the plaintext is because you're the one

783
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:15,149
that planted it and you have the

784
00:33:19,999 --> 00:33:17,129
encrypted communication from your enemy

785
00:33:22,639 --> 00:33:20,009
and with those two things you can back

786
00:33:25,009 --> 00:33:22,649
engineer it exactly now the way this

787
00:33:27,409 --> 00:33:25,019
worked it's it's fairly complex it

788
00:33:30,499 --> 00:33:27,419
actually surrounds a project called the

789
00:33:32,869 --> 00:33:30,509
Venona project and the way that the

790
00:33:36,820 --> 00:33:32,879
Russians had encrypted their

791
00:33:40,009 --> 00:33:36,830
communication it really boiled down to

792
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:40,019
to trying to pick out of this encrypted

793
00:33:44,899 --> 00:33:42,210
tax the low-hanging fruit first

794
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:44,909
and what this low-hanging fruit happened

795
00:33:50,269 --> 00:33:48,450
to be were anglicized names in the in

796
00:33:53,299 --> 00:33:50,279
the encryption so it could be for

797
00:33:56,509 --> 00:33:53,309
example that you know let's say that the

798
00:33:58,820 --> 00:33:56,519
Allies planted a media article that said

799
00:34:00,680 --> 00:33:58,830
that President Truman had fallen deathly

800
00:34:04,159 --> 00:34:00,690
ill and he's been taken to Bethesda

801
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:04,169
hospital well at that point the Russians

802
00:34:08,210 --> 00:34:06,240
could take information and take it down

803
00:34:10,609 --> 00:34:08,220
their local telegraph office encrypted

804
00:34:12,770 --> 00:34:10,619
and send it back but in order to put the

805
00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:12,780
name Truman in their text they didn't

806
00:34:17,450 --> 00:34:16,020
have a way to do that other than to so

807
00:34:22,250 --> 00:34:17,460
effectively because they didn't have a

808
00:34:23,899 --> 00:34:22,260
way to encrypt the word Truman because

809
00:34:25,970 --> 00:34:23,909
it was an anglicized name he was using

810
00:34:27,649 --> 00:34:25,980
Latin characters they would have to

811
00:34:31,099 --> 00:34:27,659
break it up into its individual letter

812
00:34:32,450 --> 00:34:31,109
form TR um a N and there was a special

813
00:34:34,250 --> 00:34:32,460
way they would do that within their

814
00:34:36,169 --> 00:34:34,260
encrypted communication that would be

815
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:36,179
the first thing to stick out when you're

816
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:39,810
trying to decrypt it so effectively the

817
00:34:44,510 --> 00:34:42,240
the Americans and the British were

818
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:44,520
reverse engineering the the Russian code

819
00:34:48,919 --> 00:34:47,010
in the same way that the French reverse

820
00:34:50,180 --> 00:34:48,929
engineered hieroglyphics using the

821
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rosetta stone

822
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because they would first attack the

823
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hieroglyphics by looking at the

824
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cartouche characters in the Rosetta

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Stone which which basically was a royal

826
00:35:05,329 --> 00:35:03,390
name so they would focus on that saying

827
00:35:08,059 --> 00:35:05,339
okay this is obviously a royal name if

828
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:08,069
we can figure out what this royal name

829
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is then that gives us some clue to what

830
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:11,880
the rest of the text is so there that's

831
00:35:15,890 --> 00:35:14,160
basically where the were the the term

832
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Rose that I came from because we are we

833
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were trying to break the Soviet

834
00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:19,290
diplomatic code in the same way that

835
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hieroglyphics were broken by Napoleon's

836
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folks

837
00:35:26,930 --> 00:35:24,569
now I understand here in the early days

838
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of the Cold War the Russians had sent

839
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spies to this country infiltrated here

840
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and when you wrote about that I was

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thinking about a TV show that you are

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probably familiar with on the FX network

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called the Americans indeed is actually

844
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one of my favorite shows so I can't

845
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recommend it highly enough it's called

846
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the Americans on the FX network one of

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my favorite shows so they take two

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people or Russian and they turn them

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into faux Americans and they actually

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get married they have kids and they have

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a normal life they run a travel agency

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and by night they are Soviet spies they

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kill people they do various projects

854
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meantime they live in the same

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neighborhood across the street from the

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FBI agent which makes for some

857
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interesting stories it's a fascinating

858
00:36:22,609 --> 00:36:19,500
show I think it's on hiatus now but when

859
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:22,619
it comes back the Americans watch it but

860
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you get a sense here that this is based

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on the reality and that show takes place

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in the 80s but imagine in the 40s and

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50s

864
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the Russians are sending spies here and

865
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we want to find out who they are

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James carrion wants to find out I guess

867
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with gene and Chris you're in Liberec

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971
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this is a skirt 70 author you have on

972
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this reads and you're listening to the

973
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parrot yes so we're painting the picture

974
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after World War 2 where the Americans

975
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are engaged in decoding the Russian

976
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messages now parenthetically I think

977
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here that you have the Telegraph

978
00:41:29,609 --> 00:41:27,670
companies receiving this communicating

979
00:41:31,789 --> 00:41:29,619
with the government and now you think of

980
00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:31,799
a current controversy with the NSA

981
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:33,849
getting information about phone calls

982
00:41:40,049 --> 00:41:36,970
from the telecom companies is it any

983
00:41:42,450 --> 00:41:40,059
different not at all I think what you'll

984
00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:42,460
see in the in the book is that the

985
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:46,529
abuses that first happened of basically

986
00:41:50,279 --> 00:41:48,609
vacuuming up large amounts of

987
00:41:52,769 --> 00:41:50,289
information for national security

988
00:41:54,750 --> 00:41:52,779
reasons but that included private

989
00:41:56,670 --> 00:41:54,760
communications from American citizens

990
00:41:58,529 --> 00:41:56,680
was not something new that happened

991
00:42:01,170 --> 00:41:58,539
during the modern day area this goes way

992
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back to the 1940s even during the war

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and before we even had a censorship code

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in place because of wartime censorship

995
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and in fact one of the three Telegraph

996
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companies RCA was voluntarily taking all

997
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the all this information from I think

998
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was like 1943 and they were voluntarily

999
00:42:25,410 --> 00:42:23,430
giving it to the predecessor of the NSA

1000
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so they could try to break the the

1001
00:42:30,839 --> 00:42:28,180
Russian code during the war and it just

1002
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:30,849
so turns out that the president of RCA

1003
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:33,760
was David Sarnoff who figures heavily

1004
00:42:37,980 --> 00:42:36,010
into the whole ghost rocket controversy

1005
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:37,990
now if you've done any research about

1006
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,089
ghost Rockets ghost rockadero you know

1007
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:42,400
that Jimmy Doolittle general Jimmy

1008
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Doolittle along with David Sarnoff had

1009
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allegedly went to Sweden to confirm

1010
00:42:51,029 --> 00:42:49,450
about the ghost rockets with the local

1011
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authorities because they were they were

1012
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:53,049
interested in knowing what they were and

1013
00:42:56,849 --> 00:42:54,880
in fact they already knew what they were

1014
00:42:59,400 --> 00:42:56,859
they were part and parcel of this

1015
00:43:02,130 --> 00:42:59,410
deception and and you can see again

1016
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:02,140
through this precedence of David Sarnoff

1017
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:05,440
very early on relationship with the

1018
00:43:10,049 --> 00:43:08,170
intelligence agencies in the u.s. that

1019
00:43:12,809 --> 00:43:10,059
he was very much involved here this is

1020
00:43:14,490 --> 00:43:12,819
nothing unusual we've learned that a lot

1021
00:43:16,589 --> 00:43:14,500
of famous people were in

1022
00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:16,599
with some sort of intelligence

1023
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:18,300
activities during World War two

1024
00:43:22,020 --> 00:43:19,450
absolutely

1025
00:43:26,130 --> 00:43:22,030
the actor Douglas Fairbanks was very

1026
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:26,140
much involved during the war he was he

1027
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was actually was was a guy who proposed

1028
00:43:31,950 --> 00:43:30,910
the beach jumper units and if your if

1029
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:31,960
your listeners don't know what the beach

1030
00:43:37,140 --> 00:43:34,510
jumpers were they were a unit that was

1031
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:37,150
formed during World War 2 explicitly to

1032
00:43:45,690 --> 00:43:41,710
deceive the enemy by basically they were

1033
00:43:47,730 --> 00:43:45,700
simulating large military forces so this

1034
00:43:50,730 --> 00:43:47,740
was part of wartime deception so let's

1035
00:43:53,010 --> 00:43:50,740
say for example we were trying to land

1036
00:43:55,859 --> 00:43:53,020
on a certain beach what we would do is

1037
00:43:57,870 --> 00:43:55,869
we would deploy our troops on ships but

1038
00:43:59,370 --> 00:43:57,880
then on another Beach nearby we would

1039
00:44:02,010 --> 00:43:59,380
send him these Beach jumper units that

1040
00:44:03,660 --> 00:44:02,020
would simulate the landing of large

1041
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:03,670
number of troops when in fact what may

1042
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only be a few boats with some sound

1043
00:44:09,870 --> 00:44:07,780
devices and while the enemy was rushing

1044
00:44:12,420 --> 00:44:09,880
over to this other Shore to confront

1045
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:12,430
these non-existent forces that our real

1046
00:44:16,890 --> 00:44:14,800
military forces would land where the

1047
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:16,900
enemy was not an attack so the beach

1048
00:44:21,329 --> 00:44:18,910
jumper units were very important during

1049
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:21,339
the war that they did wartime deception

1050
00:44:26,130 --> 00:44:24,160
amour even more interesting was the

1051
00:44:28,140 --> 00:44:26,140
person who was in charge of the beach

1052
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:28,150
jumpers was an admiral by the name of

1053
00:44:34,050 --> 00:44:31,089
Hewitt who happened to be the also in

1054
00:44:36,180 --> 00:44:34,060
charge of the flotilla that was in

1055
00:44:38,819 --> 00:44:36,190
Scandinavia and in the Mediterranean

1056
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:38,829
during the whole ghost rocket period so

1057
00:44:41,790 --> 00:44:39,970
here we have the guy who was in charge

1058
00:44:44,300 --> 00:44:41,800
of deception naval deception during

1059
00:44:47,370 --> 00:44:44,310
World War two also showing up

1060
00:44:49,020 --> 00:44:47,380
coincidentally in the exact timeframe in

1061
00:44:51,359 --> 00:44:49,030
an exact location where we have the

1062
00:44:53,339 --> 00:44:51,369
ghost rocket activity happening in 1946

1063
00:44:55,859 --> 00:44:53,349
now a lot of our listeners who've just

1064
00:44:59,099 --> 00:44:55,869
joined us are gonna say ghost rockets

1065
00:45:02,040 --> 00:44:59,109
what were they so let's encapsulate that

1066
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:02,050
to understand where this takes us sure

1067
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:06,880
so in in mid 1946 starting around May

1068
00:45:12,690 --> 00:45:10,480
late May and going into the fall there

1069
00:45:14,609 --> 00:45:12,700
were a large number of reports of these

1070
00:45:16,829 --> 00:45:14,619
strange missiles that were missiles that

1071
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:16,839
were flying over Scandinavia the first

1072
00:45:20,460 --> 00:45:18,880
well first happened in scan maybe a

1073
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:20,470
minute sort of migrated its way down to

1074
00:45:24,210 --> 00:45:22,210
the Mediterranean area as the

1075
00:45:26,130 --> 00:45:24,220
populations were reporting is that were

1076
00:45:27,970 --> 00:45:26,140
being reported in the newspapers and

1077
00:45:30,609 --> 00:45:27,980
there was this great fear

1078
00:45:32,830 --> 00:45:30,619
what these missiles were were actually

1079
00:45:35,140 --> 00:45:32,840
experiments by Russia with German

1080
00:45:38,020 --> 00:45:35,150
missile technology so if you remember

1081
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:38,030
right after the war we went in the

1082
00:45:41,890 --> 00:45:39,920
United States and in Britain and we sort

1083
00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:41,900
of vacuumed up a bunch of German

1084
00:45:46,540 --> 00:45:44,510
scientists missile scientists we brought

1085
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:46,550
him back to America and that's how we

1086
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:48,890
started our whole space program well the

1087
00:45:52,660 --> 00:45:50,480
Russians did the same thing they

1088
00:45:54,970 --> 00:45:52,670
captured a number of German missile

1089
00:45:57,460 --> 00:45:54,980
scientists and and hauled them off to

1090
00:45:59,590 --> 00:45:57,470
Russia but what was thought at the time

1091
00:46:01,810 --> 00:45:59,600
was that these strange missiles flying

1092
00:46:05,410 --> 00:46:01,820
over Scandinavia were in fact the

1093
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:05,420
Russians who had you know you kept their

1094
00:46:10,570 --> 00:46:07,520
the the German scientists in place in

1095
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:10,580
places like Penn immunde and other areas

1096
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:12,560
around the Baltic and they were they

1097
00:46:16,420 --> 00:46:14,810
were actually testing the latest

1098
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:16,430
rocketry and they were flying them over

1099
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:18,770
neutral countries right in in penile

1100
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:22,010
Monday for new listeners that's the you

1101
00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:25,040
know the location on the baltic that the

1102
00:46:32,349 --> 00:46:28,310
the v2 rocket technology was perfected

1103
00:46:35,260 --> 00:46:32,359
and undeveloped and that figures

1104
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:35,270
prominently in this subterfuge that

1105
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:38,000
surrounds the whole wave of ghost rocket

1106
00:46:42,460 --> 00:46:40,010
sightings which correct me if I'm wrong

1107
00:46:45,460 --> 00:46:42,470
we're talking close to a thousand

1108
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:45,470
reports possibly some of the same you

1109
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:47,930
know the same sighting event but we're

1110
00:46:53,260 --> 00:46:50,090
talking you know this is not just a few

1111
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:53,270
people reporting a few things this was a

1112
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:55,970
fairly large wave of sightings I think

1113
00:46:59,530 --> 00:46:57,890
you mentioned in at one point in the

1114
00:47:02,109 --> 00:46:59,540
book it was approximately eight hundred

1115
00:47:04,900 --> 00:47:02,119
I think reports that were made and

1116
00:47:07,780 --> 00:47:04,910
during this time period exactly it was a

1117
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:07,790
large number of reports and what the

1118
00:47:11,530 --> 00:47:09,770
some folks here in the American

1119
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:11,540
government couldn't understand these

1120
00:47:15,070 --> 00:47:12,650
were the folks that obviously we're not

1121
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:15,080
in on the deception as well as folks

1122
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:17,680
that were part of the American Legation

1123
00:47:23,020 --> 00:47:20,810
in in those Scandinavian countries who

1124
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:23,030
were not part of the deception they

1125
00:47:26,590 --> 00:47:25,130
couldn't understand why Russia would be

1126
00:47:28,780 --> 00:47:26,600
experimenting with all this brand-new

1127
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:28,790
technology over a neutral country where

1128
00:47:31,570 --> 00:47:30,050
there could be the possibility of a

1129
00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:31,580
crash and then the compromise of the

1130
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:34,310
technology when there was obviously vast

1131
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:36,890
areas in in Russia where they could have

1132
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:38,960
taken the the Rockets and experimented

1133
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:39,410
with them

1134
00:47:44,049 --> 00:47:41,450
so at first they thought it was oh it

1135
00:47:45,849 --> 00:47:44,059
was simply intimidation the Russians are

1136
00:47:47,950 --> 00:47:45,859
trying to intimidate these neutral

1137
00:47:49,779 --> 00:47:47,960
countries and then they were trying to

1138
00:47:52,450 --> 00:47:49,789
show that they were technologically

1139
00:47:54,009 --> 00:47:52,460
superior at the same time we were we

1140
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:54,019
were basically you know exploding our

1141
00:48:00,099 --> 00:47:58,160
are our bombs of Bikini Atoll but even

1142
00:48:01,749 --> 00:48:00,109
for the for those folks that were not in

1143
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:01,759
on the deception but in the intelligence

1144
00:48:06,370 --> 00:48:03,920
community this simply didn't add up

1145
00:48:07,930 --> 00:48:06,380
nothing added up for them and so the

1146
00:48:10,660 --> 00:48:07,940
more I look into that in the more I

1147
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:10,670
started to research that aspect of it

1148
00:48:14,499 --> 00:48:12,559
the more I started to see this threat of

1149
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:14,509
deception and it's very difficult I

1150
00:48:18,819 --> 00:48:17,119
think for folks both in the general

1151
00:48:21,549 --> 00:48:18,829
population as well as in the UFO field

1152
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,559
to understand that when deception is

1153
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:23,920
perpetrated it doesn't have to be

1154
00:48:28,749 --> 00:48:25,970
widespread knowledge it starts with a

1155
00:48:30,579 --> 00:48:28,759
very small group of folks who keep it

1156
00:48:32,740 --> 00:48:30,589
very close to their vest and they

1157
00:48:34,990 --> 00:48:32,750
involved very select people to be in on

1158
00:48:38,019 --> 00:48:35,000
it and those that are not in on it or

1159
00:48:39,549 --> 00:48:38,029
simply deceived them as well so you know

1160
00:48:41,499 --> 00:48:39,559
it's you know we'll take for example

1161
00:48:44,859 --> 00:48:41,509
something like Roswell where you have

1162
00:48:46,779 --> 00:48:44,869
this all this alleged witness testimony

1163
00:48:48,940 --> 00:48:46,789
of military folks coming back years

1164
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:48,950
later and saying hey I saw this body on

1165
00:48:52,809 --> 00:48:50,930
the ground or I you know I saw the

1166
00:48:55,059 --> 00:48:52,819
secret cargo being loaded in the plane

1167
00:48:56,859 --> 00:48:55,069
if that was in itself a deception

1168
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:56,869
operation and they were not part and

1169
00:49:00,249 --> 00:48:58,130
parcel of that deception they were

1170
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:00,259
simply peripheral to it because they

1171
00:49:02,589 --> 00:49:01,609
guarded the plane or they happen to be

1172
00:49:05,740 --> 00:49:02,599
in the right place at the right time

1173
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:05,750
they are as just deceived as anybody

1174
00:49:09,279 --> 00:49:07,609
else in the general population now

1175
00:49:11,049 --> 00:49:09,289
interesting parenthetically here is the

1176
00:49:13,450 --> 00:49:11,059
fact that you mentioned that even

1177
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:13,460
President Truman wasn't aware of what

1178
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:15,920
was going on here why because you know a

1179
00:49:19,870 --> 00:49:17,690
strategic deception which is what this

1180
00:49:21,009 --> 00:49:19,880
is really really boils down to and for

1181
00:49:23,170 --> 00:49:21,019
your listeners who don't understand

1182
00:49:25,180 --> 00:49:23,180
strategic deception let me just sort of

1183
00:49:28,059 --> 00:49:25,190
put it in a nutshell and explain what it

1184
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:28,069
is during World War two and this

1185
00:49:31,210 --> 00:49:30,170
actually originated with the British the

1186
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:31,220
British knew that they were in trouble

1187
00:49:37,150 --> 00:49:34,910
they knew that the the Germans Gundam

1188
00:49:38,859 --> 00:49:37,160
and out man them and if they really

1189
00:49:40,569 --> 00:49:38,869
wanted to win this war they were gonna

1190
00:49:42,430 --> 00:49:40,579
have to do it there's something other

1191
00:49:43,900 --> 00:49:42,440
than military might so they were the

1192
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:43,910
ones that actually championed and

1193
00:49:47,230 --> 00:49:45,680
originated a lot of the deception

1194
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:47,240
operations that happened during World

1195
00:49:50,579 --> 00:49:49,490
War two and they got it down to such an

1196
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:50,589
art

1197
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:53,920
that they were able to basically defeat

1198
00:49:58,769 --> 00:49:56,410
the enemy with with an inferior force

1199
00:50:01,200 --> 00:49:58,779
and and so this is what's called

1200
00:50:03,989 --> 00:50:01,210
strategic deception today it's when at a

1201
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:03,999
national level you were choosing to use

1202
00:50:11,039 --> 00:50:07,450
all of the black arts tools of deception

1203
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:11,049
for strategic goals and back in 1946

1204
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:13,839
which is right up to the war and we are

1205
00:50:19,410 --> 00:50:16,960
very wor worry wary at the time when the

1206
00:50:21,660 --> 00:50:19,420
the prospect of a new war hot war

1207
00:50:24,089 --> 00:50:21,670
emerging because of how belligerent that

1208
00:50:25,890 --> 00:50:24,099
the Russians were at the time appeared

1209
00:50:28,229 --> 00:50:25,900
we thought you know what we're not gonna

1210
00:50:30,209 --> 00:50:28,239
we're gonna actually employ all of these

1211
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:30,219
techniques that we've learned during the

1212
00:50:34,829 --> 00:50:32,650
war in peacetime because we're trying to

1213
00:50:36,930 --> 00:50:34,839
avoid a hot war this is where the Cold

1214
00:50:39,329 --> 00:50:36,940
War originated in the British we're also

1215
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:39,339
responsible for some tactical the

1216
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:43,210
deception yeah like painting ships with

1217
00:50:47,729 --> 00:50:45,609
camouflage so they would blend in with

1218
00:50:49,259 --> 00:50:47,739
the background so you boat slow it would

1219
00:50:50,849 --> 00:50:49,269
have a harder time picking them up I

1220
00:50:53,609 --> 00:50:50,859
mean they they they really got it down

1221
00:50:56,430 --> 00:50:53,619
to a fine art creating whole you know

1222
00:50:58,140 --> 00:50:56,440
paper mache armies like being staged for

1223
00:51:01,559 --> 00:50:58,150
an invasion for instance that we're all

1224
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:01,569
just hollow they basically were not real

1225
00:51:07,410 --> 00:51:04,960
tanks real ships that sort of thing so

1226
00:51:09,690 --> 00:51:07,420
they were pretty far ahead of the curve

1227
00:51:11,549 --> 00:51:09,700
in this in this regard we have James

1228
00:51:14,459 --> 00:51:11,559
carry on the book is called the Rosetta

1229
00:51:18,660 --> 00:51:14,469
deception and as you see folks we

1230
00:51:21,029 --> 00:51:18,670
developed disinformation misdirection to

1231
00:51:24,450 --> 00:51:21,039
a fine science with Jean and Chris

1232
00:51:26,339 --> 00:51:24,460
you're in the payara cast that's what I

1233
00:51:28,529 --> 00:51:26,349
asked about in the moment James carrion

1234
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:28,539
joins us I'm Jean Steinberg in the tech

1235
00:51:37,290 --> 00:51:30,410
night I live

1236
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:40,920
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1237
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1238
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1239
00:51:52,410 --> 00:51:49,960
is Ted Anderson if you'd like to listen

1240
00:51:55,050 --> 00:51:52,420
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1251
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1252
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1253
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:19,780
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1254
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:21,520
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1255
00:52:25,710 --> 00:52:23,410
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1256
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:25,720
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1257
00:52:29,070 --> 00:52:27,520
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1258
00:52:31,410 --> 00:52:29,080
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1259
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1260
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1261
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1263
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1275
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1276
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:05,400
of paranormal radio and now here's Jane

1277
00:54:14,420 --> 00:54:12,720
Steinberg on the para cast with Jeana

1278
00:54:17,210 --> 00:54:14,430
and Chris we have James carrion author

1279
00:54:19,309 --> 00:54:17,220
of the Rosetta deception so Chris was

1280
00:54:21,739 --> 00:54:19,319
talking about some of the things being

1281
00:54:24,229 --> 00:54:21,749
done in a world war 2 would you amplify

1282
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:24,239
that James absolutely so there were a

1283
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:26,730
number of things that the British first

1284
00:54:32,210 --> 00:54:28,319
did and then the Americans learn to do

1285
00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:32,220
it it started off with just rumor

1286
00:54:36,620 --> 00:54:34,710
spreading but then there were some very

1287
00:54:40,609 --> 00:54:36,630
physical aspects to it

1288
00:54:43,009 --> 00:54:40,619
for example they would have these rubber

1289
00:54:45,170 --> 00:54:43,019
inflated tanks and airplanes so they

1290
00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:45,180
could simulate equipment on the ground

1291
00:54:49,489 --> 00:54:47,089
on these large air fields or in

1292
00:54:51,249 --> 00:54:49,499
defensive positions in the desert and

1293
00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:51,259
they were just basically rubber dummies

1294
00:54:57,220 --> 00:54:53,730
they even got it to the point where they

1295
00:55:00,380 --> 00:54:57,230
could drop out these miniature

1296
00:55:02,690 --> 00:55:00,390
parachutists and so from an enemy's

1297
00:55:04,849 --> 00:55:02,700
perspective they couldn't tell the size

1298
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:04,859
of objects descending from the sky so

1299
00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:07,440
they saw this whole swarm of parachutes

1300
00:55:11,029 --> 00:55:08,940
coming down they thought it was a

1301
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:11,039
basically a whole airborne force coming

1302
00:55:15,470 --> 00:55:12,930
down and essentially it was just these

1303
00:55:17,450 --> 00:55:15,480
small dummies that were on small

1304
00:55:19,279 --> 00:55:17,460
parachutes and they even had sound

1305
00:55:22,190 --> 00:55:19,289
effects to them so that when the gun

1306
00:55:24,529 --> 00:55:22,200
fires I love that gunfire and you name

1307
00:55:27,259 --> 00:55:24,539
it they head it to this very very exact

1308
00:55:28,430 --> 00:55:27,269
science and it was very effective all

1309
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,440
right this is getting more and more

1310
00:55:32,900 --> 00:55:30,480
fascinating by the moment let's go back

1311
00:55:34,940 --> 00:55:32,910
to the ghost rockets now the ghost

1312
00:55:36,979 --> 00:55:34,950
rockets I got the impression here is

1313
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:36,989
that we believe they were the Russians

1314
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:40,650
but uncle Jose Joseph Stalin believed

1315
00:55:45,289 --> 00:55:43,410
they were American developments or

1316
00:55:47,630 --> 00:55:45,299
German developments everybody was fooled

1317
00:55:49,729 --> 00:55:47,640
they actually I believe you know again

1318
00:55:50,690 --> 00:55:49,739
I'm not privy to to what the Russians

1319
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:50,700
thought back then

1320
00:55:54,050 --> 00:55:52,050
but I believe they thought they were

1321
00:55:55,310 --> 00:55:54,060
British in origin I think they were they

1322
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:55,320
thought that the British works mer

1323
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:57,810
experimenting with these rockets and

1324
00:56:03,190 --> 00:55:59,280
that we're trying to put the blame on

1325
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:03,200
them so the pot calling the kettle black

1326
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:06,690
so basically here we fooled everybody

1327
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:08,970
with this stuff for the various

1328
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:11,130
organizations involved it was not just

1329
00:56:15,770 --> 00:56:12,720
the American as it was the British

1330
00:56:18,410 --> 00:56:15,780
working together and you mentioned the

1331
00:56:21,700 --> 00:56:18,420
book in one passage that a couple of the

1332
00:56:24,410 --> 00:56:21,710
agents who were used by Ian Fleming

1333
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:24,420
create James Bond were involved

1334
00:56:30,290 --> 00:56:26,880
absolutely so there were two main

1335
00:56:32,780 --> 00:56:30,300
characters in the book one his last name

1336
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:32,790
is dunder Dale he was a British in

1337
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:35,730
British intelligence he has had a long

1338
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:38,880
history a very productive work in the

1339
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:41,520
British intelligence agency going all

1340
00:56:48,109 --> 00:56:44,880
the way back to being the ones who who

1341
00:56:51,740 --> 00:56:48,119
provided to the to the to the to the

1342
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:51,750
British some captured Enigma machines he

1343
00:56:55,700 --> 00:56:53,490
worked very closely with the French and

1344
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:55,710
he was one of the characters that

1345
00:57:00,859 --> 00:56:58,079
Fleming based his John James Bond

1346
00:57:03,140 --> 00:57:00,869
character on the other one was William

1347
00:57:05,660 --> 00:57:03,150
Stephenson and he actually plays a more

1348
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:05,670
prominent role in the book because it

1349
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:08,160
was his organization known as British

1350
00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:10,530
security coordination out of New York

1351
00:57:16,670 --> 00:57:14,220
City that actually documented in a book

1352
00:57:18,500 --> 00:57:16,680
all of the different black art black

1353
00:57:21,650 --> 00:57:18,510
arts methods they use during the war

1354
00:57:25,339 --> 00:57:21,660
from everything from manipulation of the

1355
00:57:30,980 --> 00:57:25,349
media to rumor spreading - you know

1356
00:57:33,559 --> 00:57:30,990
outright you know using agents - to

1357
00:57:34,910 --> 00:57:33,569
entice other a certain man because they

1358
00:57:38,059 --> 00:57:34,920
were use a lot of female agents so they

1359
00:57:40,970 --> 00:57:38,069
use sex as a tool to doing all kinds of

1360
00:57:42,829 --> 00:57:40,980
very interesting and nasty things that

1361
00:57:45,710 --> 00:57:42,839
you would expect from a modern-day CIA

1362
00:57:48,020 --> 00:57:45,720
in fact William Stephenson was the one

1363
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:48,030
that encouraged the formation of the OSS

1364
00:57:53,630 --> 00:57:50,730
and it was a lot of his techniques that

1365
00:57:56,450 --> 00:57:53,640
he fine-tuned in his organization that

1366
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:56,460
influenced in a large way how the early

1367
00:58:00,829 --> 00:57:58,079
intelligence American intelligence

1368
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:00,839
organizations started to do their jobs

1369
00:58:04,070 --> 00:58:02,730
and you know even influencing the

1370
00:58:05,570 --> 00:58:04,080
modern-day CIA

1371
00:58:09,110 --> 00:58:05,580
well you know that brings up a very

1372
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:09,120
interesting a sizable chunk of your book

1373
00:58:16,060 --> 00:58:12,570
is spent on looking at the mashin

1374
00:58:17,210 --> 00:58:16,070
nations that were occurring prior to the

1375
00:58:20,420 --> 00:58:17,220
1947

1376
00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:20,430
you know establishment of you know what

1377
00:58:27,050 --> 00:58:22,710
is now I guess referred to as the

1378
00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:27,060
American intelligence complex and I find

1379
00:58:30,410 --> 00:58:28,980
it really fascinating going through and

1380
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:30,420
seeing how different groups were

1381
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:33,410
jockeying for power and for influence

1382
00:58:39,710 --> 00:58:36,810
prior to you know the dissolving of the

1383
00:58:42,590 --> 00:58:39,720
OSS and the create the creation of the

1384
00:58:44,420 --> 00:58:42,600
CIA and what we now know as the modern

1385
00:58:46,490 --> 00:58:44,430
in intelligence apparatus in this

1386
00:58:49,370 --> 00:58:46,500
country why don't you give us a kind of

1387
00:58:51,350 --> 00:58:49,380
a thumbnail sketch on some of the ins

1388
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:51,360
and outs that were going on and how

1389
00:58:56,510 --> 00:58:53,970
certain groups were jockeying for power

1390
00:59:00,170 --> 00:58:56,520
sure so it's right after World War two

1391
00:59:01,490 --> 00:59:00,180
Truman decided to dissolve a few of the

1392
00:59:03,110 --> 00:59:01,500
wartime agencies and one of them

1393
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:03,120
happened to be the OSS so that he called

1394
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:05,520
for the disbandment of the the OSS which

1395
00:59:09,950 --> 00:59:07,050
was our essentially our intelligence

1396
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:09,960
agency during the war and but there were

1397
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:11,970
of course the intelligence divisions of

1398
00:59:16,070 --> 00:59:13,890
the the various military agencies as

1399
00:59:18,530 --> 00:59:16,080
well so there were all these groups from

1400
00:59:21,170 --> 00:59:18,540
Washington and they're all thinking hmm

1401
00:59:22,970 --> 00:59:21,180
you know how can I get my agency to

1402
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:22,980
become the foremost intelligence

1403
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:25,050
organization in the United States so you

1404
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:27,170
know we have the military intelligence

1405
00:59:31,550 --> 00:59:29,010
organizations like naval intelligence

1406
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:31,560
and and military intelligence division

1407
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:34,290
all jockeying for position of course the

1408
00:59:38,780 --> 00:59:35,730
Air Force hadn't been formed at that

1409
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:38,790
point it was informal until 1947 but

1410
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:41,520
then you have remnants of the OSS that

1411
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:44,490
were also very interested in maintaining

1412
00:59:49,820 --> 00:59:48,000
you know a piece of the pie so what

1413
00:59:50,930 --> 00:59:49,830
ended up happening is that before the

1414
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:50,940
formation of the Central Intelligence

1415
00:59:56,780 --> 00:59:54,000
Agency in 1947 there was essentially a

1416
00:59:57,890 --> 00:59:56,790
stewardship group that consisted what

1417
01:00:00,170 --> 00:59:57,900
was called the National Intelligence

1418
01:00:02,900 --> 01:00:00,180
authority and the Central Intelligence

1419
01:00:04,550 --> 01:00:02,910
Group so the CIA G the Central

1420
01:00:07,250 --> 01:00:04,560
Intelligence Group was the predecessor

1421
01:00:09,350 --> 01:00:07,260
organization to the CIA and it sort of

1422
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:09,360
became the steward for intelligence

1423
01:00:13,580 --> 01:00:11,280
operations but during that whole period

1424
01:00:13,980 --> 01:00:13,590
from nineteen at the you know in the war

1425
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:13,990
ended

1426
01:00:18,750 --> 01:00:16,240
all the way until the CIA was formally

1427
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:18,760
started up there was a lot of jockeying

1428
01:00:24,359 --> 01:00:21,690
for position from among all aspects of

1429
01:00:25,859 --> 01:00:24,369
American intelligence to try to figure

1430
01:00:28,770 --> 01:00:25,869
out it you know how they can come out on

1431
01:00:31,350 --> 01:00:28,780
top I also noticed here is what always

1432
01:00:33,810 --> 01:00:31,360
happens is you have different agencies

1433
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:33,820
who are probably vying with one another

1434
01:00:40,770 --> 01:00:39,280
to gain control absolutely there was

1435
01:00:42,930 --> 01:00:40,780
there was absolutely absolutely a lot of

1436
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:42,940
collusion that was going on and there

1437
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:44,650
were some some major figure heads that

1438
01:00:49,850 --> 01:00:47,290
surrounded that like Jagger Hoover

1439
01:00:52,260 --> 01:00:49,860
trying to extend his influence in power

1440
01:00:54,180 --> 01:00:52,270
absolutely jr. Hoover was there you know

1441
01:00:57,300 --> 01:00:54,190
all you know the whole time you know

1442
01:01:00,480 --> 01:00:57,310
obviously he had formed the FBI much

1443
01:01:01,950 --> 01:01:00,490
early on he was very active in domestic

1444
01:01:03,450 --> 01:01:01,960
security obviously during the war but

1445
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:03,460
one of the things that a lot of folks

1446
01:01:08,850 --> 01:01:05,530
don't know is that during World War two

1447
01:01:10,530 --> 01:01:08,860
the FBI also extended their fiefdom all

1448
01:01:12,450 --> 01:01:10,540
the way down into Central America South

1449
01:01:14,130 --> 01:01:12,460
America so they were responsible for

1450
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:14,140
intelligence gathering outside of the

1451
01:01:18,210 --> 01:01:16,330
United States in the South American

1452
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:18,220
countries and when the Central

1453
01:01:23,550 --> 01:01:20,890
Intelligence Group came into being yeah

1454
01:01:24,930 --> 01:01:23,560
I'm so quickly the CIA general

1455
01:01:26,849 --> 01:01:24,940
Vandenberg said you know what we're

1456
01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:26,859
going to wrestle that away from from

1457
01:01:31,830 --> 01:01:28,480
Jagger Hoover managed to convince the

1458
01:01:33,630 --> 01:01:31,840
president of that and ended up you know

1459
01:01:35,849 --> 01:01:33,640
basically taking over all of the

1460
01:01:37,650 --> 01:01:35,859
intelligence operations in South America

1461
01:01:39,660 --> 01:01:37,660
away from the FBI

1462
01:01:42,690 --> 01:01:39,670
in j.edgar hoover being the very

1463
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:42,700
cantankerous and very strong-willed

1464
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:45,970
person that he was and and very

1465
01:01:53,580 --> 01:01:49,359
ill-tempered when his FBI agents left

1466
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:53,590
south america it was basically a burn

1467
01:01:57,359 --> 01:01:55,570
operation they said we're not going to

1468
01:01:59,550 --> 01:01:57,369
give the the Central Intelligence Group

1469
01:02:00,990 --> 01:01:59,560
any of our contacts we're not going to

1470
01:02:02,940 --> 01:02:01,000
make keep any of our records in place

1471
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:02,950
we're taking it all out and let them

1472
01:02:08,070 --> 01:02:05,170
start from scratch so rather than be a

1473
01:02:10,859 --> 01:02:08,080
cooperative operation and it became a

1474
01:02:13,470 --> 01:02:10,869
very antagonistic operation well I'd be

1475
01:02:16,620 --> 01:02:13,480
all mean and cantankerous too if i was a

1476
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:16,630
crossdresser and in my private life and

1477
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:18,850
not wanting anybody to find that out and

1478
01:02:25,650 --> 01:02:23,410
so you know you know you got to hand it

1479
01:02:27,099 --> 01:02:25,660
to him he really did exert a lot of

1480
01:02:30,039 --> 01:02:27,109
power and influence and

1481
01:02:32,759 --> 01:02:30,049
quite a dossier on public figures during

1482
01:02:35,559 --> 01:02:32,769
that time period and later absolutely

1483
01:02:37,239 --> 01:02:35,569
this whole thing is really become a

1484
01:02:39,039 --> 01:02:37,249
fascinating adventure let's go back

1485
01:02:41,019 --> 01:02:39,049
briefly to the ghost rocket so I'm gonna

1486
01:02:43,089 --> 01:02:41,029
have to break in about a minute and that

1487
01:02:45,099 --> 01:02:43,099
is all right you had all these reports

1488
01:02:47,289 --> 01:02:45,109
of these things in the sky

1489
01:02:50,499 --> 01:02:47,299
forgetting what they were interpreted to

1490
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:50,509
be was it all just people reporting fake

1491
01:02:54,579 --> 01:02:51,609
sightings to the press

1492
01:02:56,349 --> 01:02:54,589
misinterpretations what no I don't think

1493
01:02:58,089 --> 01:02:56,359
so at all so I think you have to

1494
01:02:59,380 --> 01:02:58,099
basically compartmentalize the

1495
01:03:01,420 --> 01:02:59,390
information that was floating around

1496
01:03:03,309 --> 01:03:01,430
back then there's the information that

1497
01:03:06,039 --> 01:03:03,319
was showing up in the media I'm sure a

1498
01:03:08,289 --> 01:03:06,049
lot of those sightings were real what

1499
01:03:10,749 --> 01:03:08,299
was behind them is in and I elaborate

1500
01:03:12,279 --> 01:03:10,759
this in my book is that if you can

1501
01:03:14,650 --> 01:03:12,289
remember again back to these Beach

1502
01:03:16,299 --> 01:03:14,660
jumper units from World War two that

1503
01:03:19,089 --> 01:03:16,309
that were trying to convince the enemy

1504
01:03:21,849 --> 01:03:19,099
that they were a large invasion force if

1505
01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:21,859
they could convince in more time an

1506
01:03:25,089 --> 01:03:23,359
enemy unit to believe that they're being

1507
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:25,099
attacked when they weren't you could

1508
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:26,930
very easily convince and during

1509
01:03:30,249 --> 01:03:28,880
peacetime but there were missiles flying

1510
01:03:32,529 --> 01:03:30,259
around the sky remember they had all

1511
01:03:35,559 --> 01:03:32,539
kinds of paraphernalia in devices they

1512
01:03:36,940 --> 01:03:35,569
could use to simulate that or saucers

1513
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:36,950
crashing in Roswell

1514
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that's when I asked about in the moment

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James carry on joins us I'm Jean

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there's the coming of the protectors a

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because evil forces on our distant

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planet are planning to conquer the earth

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and the coming of the protectors find

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out more at Rocco's calm that's Rocco

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it's our ock oids calm have you ever

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felt like the United States government

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knows way too much about your financial

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affairs I continue to hear stories about

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property seizures frozen bank accounts

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confiscation of stocks and bonds it

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makes me wonder if the US citizen will

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that's news at the para cast calm and

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cast james carry on is author of the

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01:08:19,450 --> 01:08:16,370
rosetta deception with Sheen and chris

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01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:19,460
now looking at the ghost rockets so we

1625
01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:20,960
assume they were all conventional and

1626
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:24,560
they leveraged these reports or did they

1627
01:08:29,530 --> 01:08:27,440
generate these reports to create the

1628
01:08:32,079 --> 01:08:29,540
disinformation campaign I think it could

1629
01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:32,089
have been a variety of things so my

1630
01:08:38,019 --> 01:08:33,920
feeling is that it was probably a

1631
01:08:40,180 --> 01:08:38,029
combination of dis of actual things that

1632
01:08:41,670 --> 01:08:40,190
were seen blowing up you know it could

1633
01:08:44,229 --> 01:08:41,680
be very simple

1634
01:08:45,970 --> 01:08:44,239
deception devices the same same type

1635
01:08:47,769 --> 01:08:45,980
that they used during the war to

1636
01:08:49,959 --> 01:08:47,779
simulate something flying overhead it

1637
01:08:51,610 --> 01:08:49,969
could have been real missiles and we had

1638
01:08:53,950 --> 01:08:51,620
an arsenal a lot of folks don't know

1639
01:08:56,140 --> 01:08:53,960
this have over a thousand missiles that

1640
01:08:59,470 --> 01:08:56,150
were like the v1 they were known as the

1641
01:09:02,590 --> 01:08:59,480
Loon missile and was basically a carbon

1642
01:09:04,150 --> 01:09:02,600
copy of the v1 rocket we we had mass

1643
01:09:06,099 --> 01:09:04,160
manufactured these we're going to use

1644
01:09:07,599 --> 01:09:06,109
them in the against the the Japanese

1645
01:09:09,999 --> 01:09:07,609
during the invasion of the Japanese

1646
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:10,009
homeland but that was obviated by the

1647
01:09:16,059 --> 01:09:12,890
dropping of the atomic bomb so what do

1648
01:09:17,769 --> 01:09:16,069
you do with all the all the loons you

1649
01:09:19,780 --> 01:09:17,779
launch him somewhere maybe over

1650
01:09:21,550 --> 01:09:19,790
Scandinavia you know and I don't think

1651
01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:21,560
they had a launch a large number of

1652
01:09:26,229 --> 01:09:23,839
these I think it had to be just a you

1653
01:09:28,510 --> 01:09:26,239
know a few here and there so that that

1654
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:28,520
would feed the whole press rumor mill

1655
01:09:32,229 --> 01:09:30,770
that was going on at the time along with

1656
01:09:35,229 --> 01:09:32,239
some other very you know simple

1657
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:35,239
deception devices along with having you

1658
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:37,810
know your gear sources that were

1659
01:09:41,860 --> 01:09:40,370
journalists or agents in the media that

1660
01:09:44,289 --> 01:09:41,870
could then keep that that rumor mill

1661
01:09:46,930 --> 01:09:44,299
going now you mentioned that some of the

1662
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:46,940
prominent people in the media were

1663
01:09:52,539 --> 01:09:50,690
famously connected with intelligence

1664
01:09:54,790 --> 01:09:52,549
sources getting their quote-unquote

1665
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:54,800
scoops oh absolutely it's very well

1666
01:09:58,610 --> 01:09:55,290
documented

1667
01:10:01,090 --> 01:09:58,620
that some of the leading I would call

1668
01:10:05,150 --> 01:10:01,100
them tabloid reporters of the day like

1669
01:10:07,580 --> 01:10:05,160
well you know Winchell and as well as

1670
01:10:09,050 --> 01:10:07,590
Drew Pearson had very close

1671
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:09,060
relationships with the intelligence

1672
01:10:13,460 --> 01:10:11,130
community but more importantly than that

1673
01:10:16,370 --> 01:10:13,470
you had a large number of newspapers

1674
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:16,380
whose editors were very have very close

1675
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:18,480
ties to the to the Intelligence Agency

1676
01:10:22,610 --> 01:10:20,370
because they were staunch anti-communist

1677
01:10:24,710 --> 01:10:22,620
you you know you have it's well

1678
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:24,720
documented that the editor of The New

1679
01:10:29,570 --> 01:10:27,330
York Times for example had close ties

1680
01:10:31,340 --> 01:10:29,580
and in Time magazine and you look at all

1681
01:10:33,710 --> 01:10:31,350
of these different folks that were in

1682
01:10:36,610 --> 01:10:33,720
positions of media power and they're

1683
01:10:38,930 --> 01:10:36,620
very much had a working relationship

1684
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:38,940
with the the folks that were in the

1685
01:10:41,780 --> 01:10:40,530
intelligence community at the time and

1686
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:41,790
they were they were more than willing to

1687
01:10:45,380 --> 01:10:43,890
help and pushing whatever message we

1688
01:10:47,750 --> 01:10:45,390
want as long as it was against the Reds

1689
01:10:51,290 --> 01:10:47,760
do we see any of that kind of collusion

1690
01:10:53,690 --> 01:10:51,300
today or the media too scattered Network

1691
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:53,700
efficiently no we don't see any of that

1692
01:10:59,390 --> 01:10:56,400
today gene come on I would venture that

1693
01:11:00,830 --> 01:10:59,400
that same relationship continues I mean

1694
01:11:02,330 --> 01:11:00,840
it's been it's been documented by other

1695
01:11:03,740 --> 01:11:02,340
folks that there was a close

1696
01:11:06,500 --> 01:11:03,750
relationship between the media and the

1697
01:11:09,370 --> 01:11:06,510
CIA after the war and into the you know

1698
01:11:12,170 --> 01:11:09,380
70s and I'm sure there's a come

1699
01:11:14,930 --> 01:11:12,180
institutionalized exactly I think it's

1700
01:11:18,380 --> 01:11:14,940
it's there it's alive it's very much

1701
01:11:20,750 --> 01:11:18,390
real you know one thing that that really

1702
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:20,760
caught me by surprise James in reading

1703
01:11:28,700 --> 01:11:26,400
the book was the the amazing effort that

1704
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:28,710
went into designing self-destruct

1705
01:11:34,490 --> 01:11:31,410
mechanisms that would render any sort of

1706
01:11:37,070 --> 01:11:34,500
recovery process moot when teams would

1707
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:37,080
be dispatched to try to recover where

1708
01:11:40,730 --> 01:11:39,090
witnesses said the rocket went down over

1709
01:11:42,650 --> 01:11:40,740
there these things had actual

1710
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:42,660
self-destruct mechanisms at least some

1711
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:44,880
of them which rendered any sort of

1712
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:47,010
gathering of intelligence from the

1713
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:50,010
remains of these craft or objects I mean

1714
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:52,770
they they literally were destroying the

1715
01:11:59,440 --> 01:11:55,650
evidence but as they hit the ground sure

1716
01:12:02,270 --> 01:11:59,450
and I think you know a lot of that is

1717
01:12:03,470 --> 01:12:02,280
technology that they they they fine-tune

1718
01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:03,480
during the war as part of their

1719
01:12:07,070 --> 01:12:05,280
deception paraphernalia

1720
01:12:08,510 --> 01:12:07,080
I'm sure again I will talk about the

1721
01:12:09,630 --> 01:12:08,520
simplistic devices they could have

1722
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:09,640
created

1723
01:12:14,730 --> 01:12:12,250
you know they could have shot a a flare

1724
01:12:17,250 --> 01:12:14,740
overhead and it could be interpreted as

1725
01:12:19,710 --> 01:12:17,260
a rocket or they could have had some

1726
01:12:22,440 --> 01:12:19,720
sort of airframe made out of wood and

1727
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:22,450
and and with paper wings or wooden wings

1728
01:12:25,950 --> 01:12:23,650
and they could have dropped from a large

1729
01:12:27,870 --> 01:12:25,960
height but a glide to the ground with a

1730
01:12:30,420 --> 01:12:27,880
self-destruct mechanism so there was an

1731
01:12:33,420 --> 01:12:30,430
any number of creative ways that they

1732
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:33,430
could mask what these devices were let's

1733
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:35,650
look into motivations here so we have

1734
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:37,360
these reports of ghost rockets

1735
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:39,250
so we're spooking the Russians right

1736
01:12:42,270 --> 01:12:40,480
they think maybe it's something that

1737
01:12:44,970 --> 01:12:42,280
we're doing or the British are doing

1738
01:12:46,530 --> 01:12:44,980
that's one thing but then we see them

1739
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:46,540
here and we think it's the Russians

1740
01:12:51,690 --> 01:12:49,090
doing it so that kind of helped inflame

1741
01:12:53,790 --> 01:12:51,700
the Cold War didn't it absolutely in

1742
01:12:55,140 --> 01:12:53,800
fact I think if you if you read the book

1743
01:12:57,060 --> 01:12:55,150
from cover to cover what you're gonna

1744
01:12:59,220 --> 01:12:57,070
come what you're gonna come to the

1745
01:13:00,900 --> 01:12:59,230
conclusion is that we we I say the

1746
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:00,910
Americans of the British we actually

1747
01:13:06,150 --> 01:13:02,890
fired the opening salvos of the Cold War

1748
01:13:08,730 --> 01:13:06,160
so what was the logic behind that well I

1749
01:13:11,130 --> 01:13:08,740
think that we knew we very much knew

1750
01:13:14,010 --> 01:13:11,140
that even while the war was going on the

1751
01:13:18,510 --> 01:13:14,020
Russians weren't exactly our allies and

1752
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:18,520
we got a more grim picture of how much

1753
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:21,760
they were becoming our enemy in 1945

1754
01:13:26,580 --> 01:13:24,370
when we realized how entrenched their

1755
01:13:30,690 --> 01:13:26,590
espionage agents were in the United

1756
01:13:32,580 --> 01:13:30,700
States after a Soviet crypto Clerk the

1757
01:13:35,310 --> 01:13:32,590
fact that in Ottawa and this triggered

1758
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:35,320
the whole Red Scare of that era and as

1759
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:37,840
we have all these different defectors

1760
01:13:42,270 --> 01:13:40,480
and these different former of Soviet

1761
01:13:45,450 --> 01:13:42,280
agents coming forward and testify and to

1762
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:45,460
the extent of activity we knew that the

1763
01:13:48,270 --> 01:13:46,930
Russians were not our friends at least

1764
01:13:50,130 --> 01:13:48,280
the Russian leadership were not our

1765
01:13:54,150 --> 01:13:50,140
friends and then if you remember back

1766
01:13:57,480 --> 01:13:54,160
and when there was the famous speech

1767
01:14:00,210 --> 01:13:57,490
about how or I'm starting out the speech

1768
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:00,220
but when when Stalin came out and during

1769
01:14:04,890 --> 01:14:02,530
his one of his five-year plan meetings

1770
01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:04,900
and said that that the East and West

1771
01:14:08,730 --> 01:14:07,450
simply could not coexist there that

1772
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:08,740
there was going to be war was inevitable

1773
01:14:14,610 --> 01:14:10,930
between the forces of capitalism and

1774
01:14:17,940 --> 01:14:14,620
common communism it was very much a real

1775
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:17,950
fear that another war was headed our way

1776
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:19,570
that World War three was headed our way

1777
01:14:22,830 --> 01:14:21,850
there was going to be a big clash large

1778
01:14:24,629 --> 01:14:22,840
loss of life just

1779
01:14:26,609 --> 01:14:24,639
like during World War two and something

1780
01:14:29,089 --> 01:14:26,619
had to be done about it you know so it's

1781
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:29,099
like almost like the ghost rocket waves

1782
01:14:36,990 --> 01:14:32,290
were actually formulated to preempt any

1783
01:14:40,890 --> 01:14:37,000
sort of pacification of the American and

1784
01:14:43,709 --> 01:14:40,900
Allied populations to actually get the

1785
01:14:46,410 --> 01:14:43,719
the levels of fear and suspicion

1786
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:46,420
you know jacked up and throw gasoline on

1787
01:14:53,580 --> 01:14:50,560
that fire to then legitimize whatever

1788
01:14:56,850 --> 01:14:53,590
you know political stance that the that

1789
01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:56,860
the Allies would then would then take as

1790
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:59,679
we go into this Cold War period and it

1791
01:15:03,209 --> 01:15:00,719
seems to have worked

1792
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:03,219
absolutely I completely agree with your

1793
01:15:06,780 --> 01:15:04,690
statement there Chris it's it was

1794
01:15:08,850 --> 01:15:06,790
basically a pre-emptive action it was

1795
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:08,860
the opening salvo it was basically let's

1796
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:12,400
portrayed you know this uncle Joe Stalin

1797
01:15:18,209 --> 01:15:15,489
as the bad guy in fact he's such a bad

1798
01:15:20,250 --> 01:15:18,219
guy that he's willing to you know fire

1799
01:15:22,620 --> 01:15:20,260
these these missiles over neutral

1800
01:15:24,839 --> 01:15:22,630
countries he's belligerent he's trying

1801
01:15:26,490 --> 01:15:24,849
to antagonize us and he's gonna start

1802
01:15:26,939 --> 01:15:26,500
another war so let's let's beat him to

1803
01:15:29,820 --> 01:15:26,949
the punch

1804
01:15:33,629 --> 01:15:29,830
let's let's take the propaganda to him

1805
01:15:35,850 --> 01:15:33,639
well let's revisit what to me was very

1806
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:35,860
very intriguing you know that

1807
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:38,050
encompasses this whole wave of ghost

1808
01:15:42,930 --> 01:15:40,570
rockets that were reported uh you know

1809
01:15:45,540 --> 01:15:42,940
in the northern Mediterranean area now

1810
01:15:47,570 --> 01:15:45,550
prior to reading your book I had no idea

1811
01:15:49,410 --> 01:15:47,580
that the ghost rocket phenomenon

1812
01:15:50,669 --> 01:15:49,420
extended all the way down to the

1813
01:15:54,209 --> 01:15:50,679
Mediterranean why don't you give our

1814
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:54,219
listeners a thumbnail sketch of the time

1815
01:15:58,290 --> 01:15:56,170
frame for these particular sighting

1816
01:16:00,180 --> 01:15:58,300
reports and also what the possible

1817
01:16:01,379 --> 01:16:00,190
motivations might have been and before

1818
01:16:03,540 --> 01:16:01,389
you do that let me tell you we have

1819
01:16:05,550 --> 01:16:03,550
about twenty seconds left so maybe we

1820
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:05,560
should hold that answer more information

1821
01:16:09,450 --> 01:16:07,090
about the ghost rockets and we're going

1822
01:16:13,470 --> 01:16:09,460
to want to ask James about some of the

1823
01:16:16,620 --> 01:16:13,480
implications who early UFO events other

1824
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:16,630
than the ghost rockets after the book is

1825
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:19,810
the rosetta deception James carrion is

1826
01:16:24,359 --> 01:16:22,210
the author we'll also bring up some of

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1930
01:20:58,080 --> 01:20:55,840
are tuned into the para cast let me tell

1931
01:21:01,110 --> 01:20:58,090
you what you're gonna hear stuff here

1932
01:21:02,209 --> 01:21:01,120
that you probably won't hear anywhere

1933
01:21:06,259 --> 01:21:02,219
else here

1934
01:21:08,989 --> 01:21:06,269
George on the podcast with Gene and Kris

1935
01:21:11,930 --> 01:21:08,999
we're talking with James Carey on the

1936
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:11,940
book is the rosetta deception and we're

1937
01:21:16,399 --> 01:21:14,610
going back and forth on ghost rockets so

1938
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:16,409
is there any more we can talk about

1939
01:21:21,229 --> 01:21:19,050
there before we go on to other possible

1940
01:21:24,770 --> 01:21:21,239
events that may have become implicated

1941
01:21:26,509 --> 01:21:24,780
in the UFO phenomenon James well the

1942
01:21:29,450 --> 01:21:26,519
ghost rocket phenomena started off in

1943
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:29,460
northern Europe and Scandinavia this was

1944
01:21:34,700 --> 01:21:33,090
summer of 1946 but then it migrated down

1945
01:21:37,310 --> 01:21:34,710
to the south to the Mediterranean area

1946
01:21:39,169 --> 01:21:37,320
when you know there were folks in Greece

1947
01:21:41,540 --> 01:21:39,179
Turkey and Portugal all reporting

1948
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:41,550
rockets there as well

1949
01:21:45,739 --> 01:21:43,530
and what's interesting to me is you can

1950
01:21:49,189 --> 01:21:45,749
see a direct correlation between where

1951
01:21:50,509 --> 01:21:49,199
our naval forces were at I'm talking

1952
01:21:52,939 --> 01:21:50,519
about the the the involve deception

1953
01:21:55,700 --> 01:21:52,949
units were admiral hewitt and his

1954
01:21:57,169 --> 01:21:55,710
flotilla of ships we're in the right

1955
01:21:58,279 --> 01:21:57,179
place at the right time when the ghost

1956
01:22:01,040 --> 01:21:58,289
rockets were flying overhead in

1957
01:22:02,540 --> 01:22:01,050
scandinavia and hid those same ships

1958
01:22:04,850 --> 01:22:02,550
were in the right place at the right

1959
01:22:07,339 --> 01:22:04,860
time down in the mediterranean area when

1960
01:22:09,109 --> 01:22:07,349
when that was going on in the south so

1961
01:22:11,629 --> 01:22:09,119
we can see a direct correlation between

1962
01:22:13,790 --> 01:22:11,639
were these you know what I think we're

1963
01:22:15,410 --> 01:22:13,800
former beach jumper units were that were

1964
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:15,420
perpetrating this deception where they

1965
01:22:18,279 --> 01:22:17,010
were positioned at the time that all

1966
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:18,289
this activity was happening

1967
01:22:25,939 --> 01:22:22,800
okay now the logical question then is we

1968
01:22:28,669 --> 01:22:25,949
created this parent sighting of strange

1969
01:22:33,049 --> 01:22:28,679
things in the sky does any event relate

1970
01:22:34,910 --> 01:22:33,059
to the next topic which of course is UFO

1971
01:22:36,770 --> 01:22:34,920
sightings what about Kenneth Arnold did

1972
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:36,780
he see something or just some kind test

1973
01:22:42,430 --> 01:22:40,170
aircraft honestly I believe that that

1974
01:22:45,649 --> 01:22:42,440
Kenneth Arnold was manipulated and used

1975
01:22:48,890 --> 01:22:45,659
in a in a future deception operation

1976
01:22:50,719 --> 01:22:48,900
when I say future I mean in 1947 but

1977
01:22:53,959 --> 01:22:50,729
very welcome very much connected to the

1978
01:22:55,310 --> 01:22:53,969
to the early deception operation 1946 so

1979
01:22:57,709 --> 01:22:55,320
in the book I call it

1980
01:23:00,979 --> 01:22:57,719
Rosetta phase one and Rosetta phase two

1981
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:00,989
Rosetta phase one was what encompasses

1982
01:23:05,959 --> 01:23:03,090
the book as it is right now Rosetta

1983
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:05,969
phase two is would be more along the

1984
01:23:09,620 --> 01:23:07,679
lines of what happened during Maury

1985
01:23:11,209 --> 01:23:09,630
island what happened during Arnold what

1986
01:23:13,669 --> 01:23:11,219
happened during Roswell that's the

1987
01:23:14,980 --> 01:23:13,679
subject of a future book but I believe

1988
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:14,990
it's all connected

1989
01:23:21,820 --> 01:23:18,970
I think if you read Arnold's own book

1990
01:23:23,230 --> 01:23:21,830
the coming to the saucers that if you're

1991
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:23,240
open-minded enough and you pay attention

1992
01:23:27,850 --> 01:23:24,890
to the evidence that he's presenting

1993
01:23:31,390 --> 01:23:27,860
there's very much very very much an

1994
01:23:34,510 --> 01:23:31,400
aspect of Cold War espionage that you

1995
01:23:36,850 --> 01:23:34,520
can see that that occurs around not only

1996
01:23:39,580 --> 01:23:36,860
his sighting but also around his

1997
01:23:41,110 --> 01:23:39,590
investigation of Maury island and again

1998
01:23:42,850 --> 01:23:41,120
this goes back to the evidence that most

1999
01:23:44,140 --> 01:23:42,860
you follow just simply ignore it doesn't

2000
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:44,150
make sense to them it doesn't have an

2001
01:23:47,380 --> 01:23:46,400
extraterrestrial connection so they

2002
01:23:49,270 --> 01:23:47,390
simply drop it

2003
01:23:51,820 --> 01:23:49,280
you know let's take for example Kenneth

2004
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:51,830
Arnold when he was investigating Maury

2005
01:23:59,800 --> 01:23:55,970
island he wanted to fly there for

2006
01:24:01,660 --> 01:23:59,810
example to Tacoma and you know he got

2007
01:24:03,610 --> 01:24:01,670
there and he didn't have a place to stay

2008
01:24:06,220 --> 01:24:03,620
and it turned out that all the hotels in

2009
01:24:08,290 --> 01:24:06,230
town were booked so he started calling

2010
01:24:11,230 --> 01:24:08,300
around trying to find a room and when he

2011
01:24:13,330 --> 01:24:11,240
got to the Winthrop hotel the clerk said

2012
01:24:14,740 --> 01:24:13,340
oh by the way uh mr. Arnold we have your

2013
01:24:17,950 --> 01:24:14,750
room ready for you he never made the

2014
01:24:20,260 --> 01:24:17,960
reservation he gets there and occupies

2015
01:24:21,730 --> 01:24:20,270
this room he didn't reserve that was

2016
01:24:23,530 --> 01:24:21,740
under his name and that's where he's

2017
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:23,540
meeting with some other characters

2018
01:24:27,310 --> 01:24:25,520
related to Moorea Island and all of a

2019
01:24:29,410 --> 01:24:27,320
sudden his room is allegedly bugged

2020
01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:29,420
because informations being leaked to the

2021
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:32,000
to the newspapers from somebody who's

2022
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:33,890
allegedly hearing their conversations in

2023
01:24:39,580 --> 01:24:36,530
the room so there's very much a dark

2024
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:39,590
aspect to two more Island and Kenneth

2025
01:24:43,570 --> 01:24:42,080
Arnold that most ufologists will ignore

2026
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:43,580
because they don't understand it they

2027
01:24:48,700 --> 01:24:45,770
can't make the connection and this is

2028
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:48,710
what I think really goes back to trying

2029
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:51,770
to understand you know what deception is

2030
01:24:57,220 --> 01:24:54,650
all about because if you can't fathom or

2031
01:25:00,160 --> 01:24:57,230
you cannot conceptualize how you can be

2032
01:25:01,990 --> 01:25:00,170
deceived you're simply cannon fodder for

2033
01:25:04,330 --> 01:25:02,000
these intelligence agencies and I think

2034
01:25:05,740 --> 01:25:04,340
that would largely describe most of the

2035
01:25:09,340 --> 01:25:05,750
leading researchers that are in the

2036
01:25:12,610 --> 01:25:09,350
field of ufology now in talking about

2037
01:25:15,460 --> 01:25:12,620
this rosetta group you mentioned the

2038
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:15,470
first set of the CIA Rear Admiral Roscoe

2039
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:18,800
Henry Hill a car now when he would turn

2040
01:25:22,300 --> 01:25:19,810
to civilian life

2041
01:25:24,730 --> 01:25:22,310
folks you might remember the name Helen

2042
01:25:26,290 --> 01:25:24,740
Carter okay look him up in your history

2043
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:26,300
books but look up also the fact that

2044
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:28,650
when he returned to civilian life

2045
01:25:35,810 --> 01:25:31,440
he was associated with a friend of his

2046
01:25:38,270 --> 01:25:35,820
name major Donald Kehoe of course was

2047
01:25:41,390 --> 01:25:38,280
one of the people who promoted and

2048
01:25:44,630 --> 01:25:41,400
advanced the early UFO mystery and early

2049
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:44,640
UFO research so Helen Connor becomes a

2050
01:25:50,270 --> 01:25:47,600
member of Kiyo's organization night camp

2051
01:25:54,710 --> 01:25:50,280
now through the years we've always said

2052
01:25:56,420 --> 01:25:54,720
that's weird but isn't it weird James is

2053
01:25:58,640 --> 01:25:56,430
there connection between the fact that

2054
01:26:01,250 --> 01:25:58,650
Helen Connor was working with Donald

2055
01:26:04,490 --> 01:26:01,260
Keough makes perfect sense to me gene

2056
01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:04,500
sure do I think definitely there's a

2057
01:26:08,630 --> 01:26:06,480
connection here and if yeah in the book

2058
01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:08,640
I describe some of the activities that

2059
01:26:14,450 --> 01:26:10,560
surround hill and Cotter for a couple of

2060
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:14,460
reasons one you know in early 1946 even

2061
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:15,930
before the ghost rock has started flying

2062
01:26:20,060 --> 01:26:18,330
over over Northern Europe Hill and

2063
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:20,070
Connor was in charge of the USS Missouri

2064
01:26:26,480 --> 01:26:22,770
and he was given a very interesting task

2065
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:26,490
he was to bring back to Turkey Liam the

2066
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:29,730
body of the Turkish ambassador some some

2067
01:26:33,590 --> 01:26:31,650
gentleman who passed away that prior

2068
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:33,600
year and they were gonna bring in the

2069
01:26:39,490 --> 01:26:35,760
body back on this great fanfare that

2070
01:26:42,350 --> 01:26:39,500
they were you know trying to you know

2071
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:42,360
basically say to the to the church we

2072
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:43,920
are friends look what we're doing for

2073
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:46,320
you what really was about was trying to

2074
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:47,730
have a show of force in the

2075
01:26:51,950 --> 01:26:50,130
Mediterranean during the early Cold War

2076
01:26:54,650 --> 01:26:51,960
telling the Russian take stay away from

2077
01:26:56,270 --> 01:26:54,660
Turkey stay away from Greece these are

2078
01:26:58,730 --> 01:26:56,280
folks that were very much allied with

2079
01:27:02,720 --> 01:26:58,740
now what I find very interesting is that

2080
01:27:04,430 --> 01:27:02,730
when when when hill and Kotter in the

2081
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:04,440
USS Missouri was about to enter the

2082
01:27:09,700 --> 01:27:06,330
Mediterranean it turned out that he

2083
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:09,710
rendezvous with with Admiral Hewitt ship

2084
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:12,690
outside of his your altar and these two

2085
01:27:16,700 --> 01:27:14,250
ships were side-by-side I think it was

2086
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:16,710
like for a day and even though you know

2087
01:27:21,860 --> 01:27:19,440
I have no evidence my feeling is that

2088
01:27:23,300 --> 01:27:21,870
there was something that happened when

2089
01:27:24,860 --> 01:27:23,310
those two ships were docked next to each

2090
01:27:27,740 --> 01:27:24,870
other and I think actually what may have

2091
01:27:29,180 --> 01:27:27,750
been a transfer of either deception or

2092
01:27:30,860 --> 01:27:29,190
some of the paraphernalia I talked about

2093
01:27:32,450 --> 01:27:30,870
that triggered the ghost rockets even

2094
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:32,460
some of the Loon missiles there were

2095
01:27:36,260 --> 01:27:33,930
some exchange of cargo again this is

2096
01:27:38,900 --> 01:27:36,270
very much hypothetical I have no

2097
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:38,910
evidence to show but it's just very

2098
01:27:42,939 --> 01:27:41,090
curious that right after

2099
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:42,949
he would return back to northern Europe

2100
01:27:47,709 --> 01:27:45,050
and the ship then we started seeing all

2101
01:27:49,149 --> 01:27:47,719
this ghost rocket activity happen so

2102
01:27:51,100 --> 01:27:49,159
Hill and Cotter was involved in that

2103
01:27:52,990 --> 01:27:51,110
from from that point of view but Hill

2104
01:27:54,939 --> 01:27:53,000
and Connor was also and a lot of folks

2105
01:27:58,419 --> 01:27:54,949
don't know this he was the naval attache

2106
01:28:01,709 --> 01:27:58,429
in France he was in Paris you know even

2107
01:28:04,359 --> 01:28:01,719
before right after the fall of France

2108
01:28:06,729 --> 01:28:04,369
obviously he wasn't there but he was

2109
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:06,739
very much involved with British

2110
01:28:10,540 --> 01:28:08,480
intelligence there he knew this other

2111
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:10,550
character named under Dale that I that I

2112
01:28:16,419 --> 01:28:13,250
said was one of the James Bond models he

2113
01:28:17,890 --> 01:28:16,429
had a close relationship with him and he

2114
01:28:20,169 --> 01:28:17,900
shows up in all the right places with

2115
01:28:22,629 --> 01:28:20,179
all the right times even to the point

2116
01:28:24,850 --> 01:28:22,639
where right after the the the Rosetta

2117
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:24,860
deception took place lo and behold he

2118
01:28:28,620 --> 01:28:26,690
becomes the favorite person to then come

2119
01:28:31,689 --> 01:28:28,630
back to the states and assume the

2120
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:31,699
stewardess ship of the of the CIA he was

2121
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:34,489
the first director of the CIA so there's

2122
01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:36,530
something going on there where he began

2123
01:28:41,109 --> 01:28:39,679
he fell into favor in the intelligence

2124
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:41,119
community where he could assume such a

2125
01:28:45,550 --> 01:28:44,210
such an incredible role in in the

2126
01:28:46,750 --> 01:28:45,560
intelligence community so I have a

2127
01:28:48,310 --> 01:28:46,760
feeling that there's there's definitely

2128
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:48,320
a connection there and his connection

2129
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:50,210
with UFOs later on I think it's an

2130
01:28:55,450 --> 01:28:53,570
extension of that all right now let me

2131
01:28:58,120 --> 01:28:55,460
ask you the obvious question here are

2132
01:29:01,209 --> 01:28:58,130
all the UFO sightings that were not

2133
01:29:03,070 --> 01:29:01,219
possibly the result of the rosetta

2134
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:03,080
deception or some sort of disinformation

2135
01:29:07,870 --> 01:29:05,690
project were they all just conventional

2136
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:07,880
objects or were there real UFOs

2137
01:29:14,709 --> 01:29:11,810
intermixed with all this when you say

2138
01:29:16,899 --> 01:29:14,719
real UFOs or are you meaning UFOs of

2139
01:29:20,350 --> 01:29:16,909
terrestrial origin or extraterrestrial

2140
01:29:22,899 --> 01:29:20,360
origin let's just say things that have

2141
01:29:25,300 --> 01:29:22,909
no conventional explanation let's not go

2142
01:29:26,919 --> 01:29:25,310
to Extra Terrestrial at this point just

2143
01:29:31,209 --> 01:29:26,929
something that we can't explain what's

2144
01:29:32,890 --> 01:29:31,219
real sure you know honestly I can't tell

2145
01:29:38,589 --> 01:29:32,900
you and I'm not saying that every single

2146
01:29:41,729 --> 01:29:38,599
UFO sighting in 1946 or 1947 had to be

2147
01:29:44,500 --> 01:29:41,739
Rosetta or our intelligence community

2148
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:44,510
you know who knows or things out there

2149
01:29:47,589 --> 01:29:46,010
in the universe we simply can't explain

2150
01:29:51,129 --> 01:29:47,599
there are mysteries that we can explain

2151
01:29:54,420 --> 01:29:51,139
all I know is that in such a

2152
01:29:57,270 --> 01:29:54,430
concentrated timeframe

2153
01:30:00,800 --> 01:29:57,280
we had very strange things going on that

2154
01:30:04,260 --> 01:30:00,810
to me fit more a Cold War intelligence

2155
01:30:06,330 --> 01:30:04,270
operation than then fed any sort of

2156
01:30:07,950 --> 01:30:06,340
other explanation could there have been

2157
01:30:10,020 --> 01:30:07,960
other things flying around the

2158
01:30:13,590 --> 01:30:10,030
atmosphere sure I don't know what they

2159
01:30:14,970 --> 01:30:13,600
are I don't know all I know is that what

2160
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:14,980
I've been able to research and what I've

2161
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:17,890
been able to uncover here shows more of

2162
01:30:22,410 --> 01:30:20,170
a terrestrial explanation the book is

2163
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:22,420
the rosetta deception James carry-ons

2164
01:30:26,070 --> 01:30:24,130
got more to tell you and we'll have some

2165
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:26,080
questions from our listeners coming up

2166
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:28,090
with Jeanne and Chris you're in the para

2167
01:30:32,570 --> 01:30:36,669
[Music]

2168
01:30:41,550 --> 01:30:38,950
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2169
01:30:45,910 --> 01:30:41,560
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2170
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2171
01:30:51,850 --> 01:30:49,010
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2172
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2173
01:30:55,540 --> 01:30:54,170
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2174
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2175
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2176
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2177
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2182
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2183
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discount first game attack of the rock

2184
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codes and it was a critically acclaimed

2185
01:31:23,950 --> 01:31:22,070
success and now there's the coming of

2186
01:31:26,260 --> 01:31:23,960
the protectors a former military

2187
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:26,270
intelligence man is contacted by a space

2188
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woman in a dream a dream that turns out

2189
01:31:32,500 --> 01:31:31,070
to be a nightmare because evil forces on

2190
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:32,510
our distant planet are planning to

2191
01:31:36,010 --> 01:31:33,650
conquer the earth

2192
01:31:38,740 --> 01:31:36,020
this is gripping science fiction of the

2193
01:31:40,689 --> 01:31:38,750
classic kind attack of the rock ODEs and

2194
01:31:43,300 --> 01:31:40,699
the coming of the protectors find out

2195
01:31:47,350 --> 01:31:43,310
more at Rocko it's calm that's rock oh

2196
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:47,360
it's ROC ko like des calm mom's of

2197
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:50,090
America stand up and stop taking abuse

2198
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from your kids I pledge never to let my

2199
01:31:58,750 --> 01:31:55,940
kid disrespect me ever again I pledge to

2200
01:32:01,750 --> 01:31:58,760
stop letting my daughter walk all over

2201
01:32:04,689 --> 01:32:01,760
me I pledge to stop living in fear of my

2202
01:32:07,300 --> 01:32:04,699
son's anger I pledge never to feel like

2203
01:32:09,399 --> 01:32:07,310
a bad parent ever again because I'm not

2204
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:09,409
I pledge to stop letting my child's

2205
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:12,050
behavior control my home I pledge to be

2206
01:32:16,630 --> 01:32:14,330
a mom with kids who listen a total

2207
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:16,640
transformation mom I'm janet lehman

2208
01:32:20,860 --> 01:32:18,530
co-creator of the total transformation

2209
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program we created the total

2210
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transformation to help parents with

2211
01:32:27,610 --> 01:32:25,250
difficult child behavior now I'm giving

2212
01:32:29,380 --> 01:32:27,620
it away free all you need to do is get

2213
01:32:31,149 --> 01:32:29,390
the program and let us know how it works

2214
01:32:34,180 --> 01:32:31,159
for you we'll let you keep it for free

2215
01:32:36,370 --> 01:32:34,190
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2216
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five that's one eight hundred two five

2217
01:32:42,340 --> 01:32:39,489
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2218
01:32:44,500 --> 01:32:42,350
1-800 - five six seven seven nine five

2219
01:32:48,209 --> 01:32:44,510
that's one eight hundred two five six

2220
01:32:52,870 --> 01:32:50,649
today Anderson telling you about Jordan

2221
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2223
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2224
01:33:01,660 --> 01:32:59,570
breeding unpasteurized untreated whole

2225
01:33:04,569 --> 01:33:01,670
milk on the same farm the cows graze

2226
01:33:07,209 --> 01:33:04,579
containing natural sources of omega 3 CL

2227
01:33:10,089 --> 01:33:07,219
a protein calcium probiotics and enzymes

2228
01:33:10,959 --> 01:33:10,099
I have never tasted cheese this good and

2229
01:33:12,939 --> 01:33:10,969
you need to try it

2230
01:33:15,100 --> 01:33:12,949
contact your youngevity distributor or

2231
01:33:19,359 --> 01:33:15,110
call eight seven seven eight seven eight

2232
01:33:21,010 --> 01:33:19,369
forty 203 or go to GCN team.com hi this

2233
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:21,020
is Ted Anderson have you ever wondered

2234
01:33:24,580 --> 01:33:22,730
why banks stockbrokers investment

2235
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:24,590
advisors won't talk about gold IRAs

2236
01:33:27,910 --> 01:33:26,210
they've been available since nineteen

2237
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:27,920
eighty six yet the financial industry

2238
01:33:31,569 --> 01:33:29,810
won't recognize the value of gold for

2239
01:33:33,939 --> 01:33:31,579
your retirement gold is outperformed

2240
01:33:35,620 --> 01:33:33,949
paper investments yet no word about IRAs

2241
01:33:39,250 --> 01:33:35,630
if you would like to have gold for your

2242
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:39,260
retirement call 866 to 237 don't get

2243
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:41,090
left behind by rising inflation and low

2244
01:34:52,200 --> 01:33:45,050
returns call 866 to 237 secure your

2245
01:34:57,550 --> 01:34:55,240
this is the wrong flower cluster of the

2246
01:34:59,910 --> 01:34:57,560
f1 Cyclopes in other books when you're

2247
01:35:09,810 --> 01:34:59,920
listening to the podcast

2248
01:35:15,580 --> 01:35:12,549
so we have the first director of the CIA

2249
01:35:16,959 --> 01:35:15,590
working with NICAP and Donald Kehoe we

2250
01:35:18,370 --> 01:35:16,969
have all these events that may or may

2251
01:35:20,950 --> 01:35:18,380
not have some kind of government

2252
01:35:22,419 --> 01:35:20,960
disinformation connection certainly

2253
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:22,429
Maury island which we've covered

2254
01:35:27,310 --> 01:35:24,130
extensively here in the power cast

2255
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:27,320
certainly Kenneth Arnold sighting may

2256
01:35:31,660 --> 01:35:29,210
have been something merely conventional

2257
01:35:33,729 --> 01:35:31,670
a test aircraft but you kind of think

2258
01:35:36,729 --> 01:35:33,739
here do you think that maybe the UFO

2259
01:35:38,649 --> 01:35:36,739
mystery got out of control then once

2260
01:35:41,109 --> 01:35:38,659
these things started once these stories

2261
01:35:43,299 --> 01:35:41,119
were published it just went to places

2262
01:35:46,209 --> 01:35:43,309
that maybe the rosetta group didn't know

2263
01:35:48,790 --> 01:35:46,219
oh absolutely I think it must from data

2264
01:35:50,319 --> 01:35:48,800
control man was it dead they really had

2265
01:35:54,370 --> 01:35:50,329
no way to contain it so they sort of

2266
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:54,380
been just riding along this this wave of

2267
01:36:00,359 --> 01:35:57,050
I don't know how you describe it but

2268
01:36:03,430 --> 01:36:00,369
basically just intense public interest

2269
01:36:07,629 --> 01:36:03,440
exactly you know what would modern

2270
01:36:09,819 --> 01:36:07,639
Americana be without UFOs or without you

2271
01:36:12,850 --> 01:36:09,829
know a lot of the of the different

2272
01:36:16,750 --> 01:36:12,860
things that surround UFOs from from the

2273
01:36:18,339 --> 01:36:16,760
media to you know it you know abductions

2274
01:36:20,979 --> 01:36:18,349
and all these things that surround the

2275
01:36:23,319 --> 01:36:20,989
whole field of ufology well with

2276
01:36:24,729 --> 01:36:23,329
abductions with abductions I am

2277
01:36:27,279 --> 01:36:24,739
speculated that some of the early

2278
01:36:30,459 --> 01:36:27,289
abductions may have been mind-control or

2279
01:36:33,489 --> 01:36:30,469
drug experiments I would say your that

2280
01:36:36,069 --> 01:36:33,499
may very well be so I think that it may

2281
01:36:39,339 --> 01:36:36,079
be part of this mushrooming this this

2282
01:36:41,890 --> 01:36:39,349
inability to contain what started off as

2283
01:36:44,049 --> 01:36:41,900
a as a as a myth that was created by by

2284
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:44,059
mundane hands I think we can actually

2285
01:36:49,450 --> 01:36:46,610
see that for example even in the ghost

2286
01:36:51,129 --> 01:36:49,460
rock a period where I think that there

2287
01:36:53,410 --> 01:36:51,139
were people in the military actually

2288
01:36:54,759 --> 01:36:53,420
this is well this is documented fairly

2289
01:36:57,040 --> 01:36:54,769
well but there were people in the

2290
01:36:58,959 --> 01:36:57,050
military that maybe thought I'm talking

2291
01:37:00,430 --> 01:36:58,969
about the British military they thought

2292
01:37:02,799 --> 01:37:00,440
that there was something extraordinary

2293
01:37:05,169 --> 01:37:02,809
to these Rockets again I'm not saying

2294
01:37:08,379 --> 01:37:05,179
extraterrestrial but maybe a technology

2295
01:37:10,660 --> 01:37:08,389
that was German very highly advanced and

2296
01:37:12,189 --> 01:37:10,670
and there was even our V Jones has this

2297
01:37:14,379 --> 01:37:12,199
very well document in his book where he

2298
01:37:16,270 --> 01:37:14,389
describes where they recovered some

2299
01:37:18,910 --> 01:37:16,280
fragments of an alleged ghost rocket and

2300
01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:18,920
when they sent it off to the Spiritist

2301
01:37:22,290 --> 01:37:20,960
institution to be tested the British

2302
01:37:24,180 --> 01:37:22,300
scientists came back very

2303
01:37:26,370 --> 01:37:24,190
saying all we found elements that were

2304
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:26,380
unique you know that don't exist on

2305
01:37:29,580 --> 01:37:28,210
earth and he said well have you tested

2306
01:37:31,020 --> 01:37:29,590
them to see if they're just regular coal

2307
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:31,030
and they said oh we didn't think about

2308
01:37:34,770 --> 01:37:33,010
organic material so they turn around and

2309
01:37:37,470 --> 01:37:34,780
test it and try out to just be a regular

2310
01:37:39,299 --> 01:37:37,480
lump of coal so we have you know

2311
01:37:40,890 --> 01:37:39,309
scientists who intended to make these

2312
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:40,900
leaps of faith because they wanted to

2313
01:37:42,629 --> 01:37:41,770
believe that it was something

2314
01:37:44,549 --> 01:37:42,639
extraordinary

2315
01:37:46,649 --> 01:37:44,559
at least we see that for example in the

2316
01:37:48,959 --> 01:37:46,659
modern day UFO era where we have this

2317
01:37:50,609 --> 01:37:48,969
alleged estimate of the of the situation

2318
01:37:52,919 --> 01:37:50,619
that the Air Force created and sent up

2319
01:37:54,419 --> 01:37:52,929
the channels to General Vandenberg

2320
01:37:57,000 --> 01:37:54,429
before it was kicked back down and

2321
01:37:59,010 --> 01:37:57,010
burned the same we think these are extra

2322
01:38:01,379 --> 01:37:59,020
of extraterrestrial origin so these are

2323
01:38:02,879 --> 01:38:01,389
folks again that could have been in the

2324
01:38:04,950 --> 01:38:02,889
military at the time but not in on

2325
01:38:06,510 --> 01:38:04,960
whatever deception was going on and of

2326
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:06,520
course they can make these leaps of

2327
01:38:11,069 --> 01:38:08,770
faith and the Indies you know grand

2328
01:38:12,510 --> 01:38:11,079
leaps of fascination but when it gets up

2329
01:38:15,089 --> 01:38:12,520
to the person who was in on the

2330
01:38:16,830 --> 01:38:15,099
deception being general Vandenberg he's

2331
01:38:18,359 --> 01:38:16,840
thinking gee this is really is out of

2332
01:38:20,459 --> 01:38:18,369
control I better do something about it

2333
01:38:22,020 --> 01:38:20,469
and then kicks it out and says no let's

2334
01:38:23,490 --> 01:38:22,030
take this estimate of the situation

2335
01:38:25,620 --> 01:38:23,500
let's just burn it because if there's

2336
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:25,630
really nothing to it of course he knew

2337
01:38:29,700 --> 01:38:27,250
that that's well documented in my book

2338
01:38:32,819 --> 01:38:29,710
that shows a general Vandenberg quite

2339
01:38:35,010 --> 01:38:32,829
Vandenberg was one of the key deception

2340
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:35,020
planners in the post-war era and that's

2341
01:38:39,450 --> 01:38:37,090
documented by information I found in the

2342
01:38:41,549 --> 01:38:39,460
National Archives yeah well I find it

2343
01:38:43,979 --> 01:38:41,559
interesting that Cole should be found in

2344
01:38:46,169 --> 01:38:43,989
the remains of a ghost rocket maybe it

2345
01:38:48,450 --> 01:38:46,179
was Santa Claus he crashed and burned

2346
01:38:51,359 --> 01:38:48,460
and some of the coal that he was going

2347
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:51,369
to deliver to bad kids inadvertently got

2348
01:38:57,720 --> 01:38:54,730
tested good as explanation is any there

2349
01:39:00,240 --> 01:38:57,730
Chris let's move into another aspect

2350
01:39:04,379 --> 01:39:00,250
related to this Rosetta deception okay

2351
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:04,389
so we're looking here at these early UFO

2352
01:39:09,780 --> 01:39:07,090
cases that seem to have been generated

2353
01:39:11,689 --> 01:39:09,790
this way what about Project Blue Book

2354
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:11,699
and the earlier

2355
01:39:16,859 --> 01:39:14,170
agencies that led to Project Blue Book

2356
01:39:19,740 --> 01:39:16,869
were they done deliberately fine from

2357
01:39:22,169 --> 01:39:19,750
project Scion project grudge were they

2358
01:39:23,729 --> 01:39:22,179
meant to really investigate something

2359
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:23,739
they didn't understand or just part of

2360
01:39:27,060 --> 01:39:25,690
the deception maybe they weren't part of

2361
01:39:29,430 --> 01:39:27,070
the deception at all maybe they were

2362
01:39:31,379 --> 01:39:29,440
just part of the of the the fact that it

2363
01:39:33,060 --> 01:39:31,389
had been had mushroomed out of control

2364
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:33,070
we have this large public interest now

2365
01:39:35,790 --> 01:39:34,449
what are you going to do

2366
01:39:37,500 --> 01:39:35,800
so you formally

2367
01:39:39,209 --> 01:39:37,510
see of folks that are not in on any of

2368
01:39:41,339 --> 01:39:39,219
this prior knowledge let them

2369
01:39:42,899 --> 01:39:41,349
investigate it does no harm you know

2370
01:39:44,879 --> 01:39:42,909
whereas the folks that are in on the

2371
01:39:46,350 --> 01:39:44,889
deception can sit back and say okay well

2372
01:39:48,149 --> 01:39:46,360
let's let's just have what had happened

2373
01:39:49,589 --> 01:39:48,159
so I don't think they were it was really

2374
01:39:52,140 --> 01:39:49,599
part of the deception I think it was

2375
01:39:54,689 --> 01:39:52,150
part of inadvertent the idea the

2376
01:39:56,370 --> 01:39:54,699
inadvertent X explosion of interest that

2377
01:39:58,379 --> 01:39:56,380
happened in the general population what

2378
01:40:00,780 --> 01:39:58,389
the subject it makes perfect sense to me

2379
01:40:02,609 --> 01:40:00,790
that that really has a ring to it let me

2380
01:40:04,379 --> 01:40:02,619
throw another possibility out for you

2381
01:40:05,790 --> 01:40:04,389
which actually occurred to me from

2382
01:40:08,729 --> 01:40:05,800
reading the book and listening to you

2383
01:40:10,169 --> 01:40:08,739
talk now James and then as we have the

2384
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:10,179
first set of project Bluebook

2385
01:40:14,310 --> 01:40:12,250
captain repelled he writes a book the

2386
01:40:16,350 --> 01:40:14,320
report on unidentified flying objects

2387
01:40:18,450 --> 01:40:16,360
becomes a big seller then it comes out

2388
01:40:20,069 --> 01:40:18,460
with a new edition now the first book

2389
01:40:22,379 --> 01:40:20,079
conveyed the feeling that he believed

2390
01:40:24,870 --> 01:40:22,389
that UFOs were eating they have a new

2391
01:40:27,629 --> 01:40:24,880
edition of the book three chapters are

2392
01:40:30,450 --> 01:40:27,639
added and famously in the final chapter

2393
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:30,460
he says when asked whether he believes

2394
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:33,730
in UFOs if they're real unusual things

2395
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:36,010
or spaceships he says I'm positive

2396
01:40:40,979 --> 01:40:38,290
they're not and I thought to myself at

2397
01:40:42,330 --> 01:40:40,989
the time that maybe he was pressured

2398
01:40:44,100 --> 01:40:42,340
that's the prevailing opinion that he

2399
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:44,110
was pressured by his military higher-ups

2400
01:40:48,450 --> 01:40:46,000
or maybe someone went to him and said

2401
01:40:51,979 --> 01:40:48,460
listen captain rappel you know this is

2402
01:40:54,959 --> 01:40:51,989
getting way too far this is all based on

2403
01:40:57,299 --> 01:40:54,969
disinformation on deception and someone

2404
01:41:00,810 --> 01:40:57,309
reads them in on what really happened

2405
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:00,820
and he says so explain to your readers

2406
01:41:05,939 --> 01:41:03,489
you don't believe UFOs are real because

2407
01:41:07,770 --> 01:41:05,949
they take you seriously do you think

2408
01:41:09,569 --> 01:41:07,780
that could have happened well it very

2409
01:41:13,140 --> 01:41:09,579
well could have happened but I think

2410
01:41:16,830 --> 01:41:13,150
based on the research our my research I

2411
01:41:18,770 --> 01:41:16,840
think that if you know as I believe they

2412
01:41:21,299 --> 01:41:18,780
start off as a deception operation

2413
01:41:24,149 --> 01:41:21,309
deception operations at this level what

2414
01:41:27,209 --> 01:41:24,159
I call strategic deception is held very

2415
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:27,219
close very very close very small number

2416
01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:29,530
of people are in on it so let's take for

2417
01:41:32,580 --> 01:41:31,090
example you know what a lot of

2418
01:41:34,709 --> 01:41:32,590
ufologists believe in the majestic

2419
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:34,719
documents and majestic 12 and how

2420
01:41:38,419 --> 01:41:36,610
they've been keeping the UFO secret for

2421
01:41:40,890 --> 01:41:38,429
years and years and the big cover-up

2422
01:41:43,260 --> 01:41:40,900
could be but I don't think it was

2423
01:41:44,879 --> 01:41:43,270
because of an extraterrestrial crafts or

2424
01:41:48,120 --> 01:41:44,889
Roswell I think it's because holding the

2425
01:41:49,470 --> 01:41:48,130
deception secret exactly and they had it

2426
01:41:51,690 --> 01:41:49,480
you have to keep at very

2427
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:51,700
close because you have to think that if

2428
01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:54,130
this never came out to the public I mean

2429
01:41:58,740 --> 01:41:56,410
I would be very one pissed-off public

2430
01:42:00,450 --> 01:41:58,750
citizen if I knew that the government

2431
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:00,460
had been hood would keep me for the last

2432
01:42:05,729 --> 01:42:03,850
70 years you know because for whatever

2433
01:42:06,930 --> 01:42:05,739
reason doesn't really matter I mean

2434
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:06,940
let's take for example what happened

2435
01:42:11,430 --> 01:42:09,370
during the Manhattan Project where they

2436
01:42:13,530 --> 01:42:11,440
built an entire city in the Tennessee

2437
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:13,540
Valley Authority and they didn't tell

2438
01:42:18,090 --> 01:42:16,090
the Vice President Truman at the time if

2439
01:42:21,690 --> 01:42:18,100
they had this project going on the the

2440
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:21,700
the cover-up around that the secrecy

2441
01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:23,170
around that people could understand

2442
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:25,330
because it was wartime but one thing

2443
01:42:29,190 --> 01:42:26,890
they did very intelligently is after

2444
01:42:30,990 --> 01:42:29,200
they dropped the atomic bombs on Japan

2445
01:42:33,180 --> 01:42:31,000
as it came out with this complete report

2446
01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:33,190
that said hey you know sorry we did this

2447
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:34,960
we had to do it for wartime secrecy

2448
01:42:39,630 --> 01:42:37,330
reasons you know here's what the atomic

2449
01:42:40,860 --> 01:42:39,640
bomb is about blah blah blah that came

2450
01:42:42,570 --> 01:42:40,870
out they were honest to the American

2451
01:42:45,060 --> 01:42:42,580
public but this is something that

2452
01:42:46,650 --> 01:42:45,070
mushroomed out of control and they could

2453
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:46,660
not come out and be honest about it

2454
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:48,370
early on it kept getting worse and worse

2455
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:51,610
until here we are 70 years later and you

2456
01:42:55,710 --> 01:42:53,650
know to come out with the truth now that

2457
01:42:57,390 --> 01:42:55,720
hey we you know we pulled the wool over

2458
01:42:59,250 --> 01:42:57,400
your eyes and we were the folks that

2459
01:43:01,770 --> 01:42:59,260
created this myth to begin with I think

2460
01:43:04,350 --> 01:43:01,780
they see more cons and pros to doing

2461
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:04,360
that yeah number one nobody would

2462
01:43:09,870 --> 01:43:06,489
believe them because it's become such an

2463
01:43:11,850 --> 01:43:09,880
entrenched cultural meme that even if

2464
01:43:14,370 --> 01:43:11,860
they's came out and said hey it's been

2465
01:43:15,750 --> 01:43:14,380
all us everyone you know it within the

2466
01:43:18,750 --> 01:43:15,760
true believer crowd would think that

2467
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:18,760
they're trying to you know claim credit

2468
01:43:22,380 --> 01:43:20,560
for something that everyone has taken

2469
01:43:24,750 --> 01:43:22,390
for granted as being et OH

2470
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:24,760
all these decades sure it would be a

2471
01:43:29,490 --> 01:43:26,890
cover-up to the cover-up you know where

2472
01:43:31,229 --> 01:43:29,500
so what was he now basically what they

2473
01:43:35,220 --> 01:43:31,239
say the whole project mogul thing was

2474
01:43:36,930 --> 01:43:35,230
was about around Roswell you know we

2475
01:43:39,210 --> 01:43:36,940
were trying to protect that so we came

2476
01:43:40,260 --> 01:43:39,220
out with this story you know the true

2477
01:43:41,310 --> 01:43:40,270
believer is not going to believe it

2478
01:43:43,590 --> 01:43:41,320
you're exactly right

2479
01:43:45,060 --> 01:43:43,600
their mind is still made up their their

2480
01:43:46,890 --> 01:43:45,070
belief systems so well entrenched

2481
01:43:49,740 --> 01:43:46,900
they're simply not going to believe it

2482
01:43:51,510 --> 01:43:49,750
and so I think that you know the forces

2483
01:43:53,250 --> 01:43:51,520
that be out there in the intelligence

2484
01:43:54,870 --> 01:43:53,260
community they know that they know that

2485
01:43:56,910 --> 01:43:54,880
people would rather believe then then

2486
01:43:57,479 --> 01:43:56,920
then actually understand the truth

2487
01:44:01,170 --> 01:43:57,489
around it

2488
01:44:02,790 --> 01:44:01,180
oh yes let's get back to Roswell okay

2489
01:44:07,020 --> 01:44:02,800
you you broach this

2490
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:07,030
subject okay yes the the our word not

2491
01:44:13,380 --> 01:44:10,080
just rosetta but Roswell we have about a

2492
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:13,390
minute or so before we split so let's

2493
01:44:15,390 --> 01:44:14,890
just paint the picture and start going

2494
01:44:17,610 --> 01:44:15,400
from there

2495
01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:17,620
so the first news story says we found

2496
01:44:24,030 --> 01:44:20,170
the flying saucer the second news story

2497
01:44:26,430 --> 01:44:24,040
says oh no it was just a balloon and of

2498
01:44:28,110 --> 01:44:26,440
course this kind of buries the Roswell

2499
01:44:31,380 --> 01:44:28,120
case for a number of years until the

2500
01:44:34,500 --> 01:44:31,390
late 70s when william moore and charles

2501
01:44:37,140 --> 01:44:34,510
berlitz and stan friedman get involved

2502
01:44:40,740 --> 01:44:37,150
in researching Roswell and certainly

2503
01:44:43,590 --> 01:44:40,750
this entire mythology erupts that still

2504
01:44:46,140 --> 01:44:43,600
exists to this very day but the heart of

2505
01:44:49,470 --> 01:44:46,150
it can we take the second newspaper

2506
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:49,480
story is true and I'll have your answer

2507
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:52,210
in the next segment or was it just some

2508
01:44:57,570 --> 01:44:54,370
kind of secret weapons test or secret

2509
01:45:00,600 --> 01:44:57,580
aircraft and they use both stories as a

2510
01:45:02,430 --> 01:45:00,610
cover story to wipe it off the map for

2511
01:45:04,020 --> 01:45:02,440
once and for all at least until people

2512
01:45:06,270 --> 01:45:04,030
started poking into it

2513
01:45:07,470 --> 01:45:06,280
a few years later the book is the

2514
01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:07,480
rosetta deception

2515
01:45:12,330 --> 01:45:10,480
I guess we'll call that part one of the

2516
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:12,340
story about this disinformation that

2517
01:45:16,290 --> 01:45:14,050
leads to UFOs and other things

2518
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:16,300
James carrion is the author with gene

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2580
01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:49,100
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2581
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2582
01:48:04,180 --> 01:48:02,120
here's Jane Steinberg our final four

2583
01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:04,190
segments of the para cast with James

2584
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:07,130
carrion author of Rosetta deception so

2585
01:48:12,250 --> 01:48:10,130
James what was Roswell the first the

2586
01:48:14,380 --> 01:48:12,260
second or the third possibility that it

2587
01:48:16,210 --> 01:48:14,390
was some kind of test aircraft or

2588
01:48:18,460 --> 01:48:16,220
something I don't think it was a test

2589
01:48:21,130 --> 01:48:18,470
aircraft at all I think it was it was

2590
01:48:22,600 --> 01:48:21,140
part of a further featured separate

2591
01:48:25,870 --> 01:48:22,610
deception operation that happened in

2592
01:48:28,330 --> 01:48:25,880
1947 related to the first happened in

2593
01:48:29,830 --> 01:48:28,340
1946 if you read if you read my book

2594
01:48:33,460 --> 01:48:29,840
you'll find a very interesting story

2595
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:33,470
about an Austrian scientists by the name

2596
01:48:38,410 --> 01:48:35,930
of Eugene Sanger and what this gentleman

2597
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:38,420
did is he was working on behalf of the

2598
01:48:42,340 --> 01:48:40,850
Germans during the war he had developed

2599
01:48:44,770 --> 01:48:42,350
this concept for what he called the

2600
01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:44,780
America bomber and what this craft was

2601
01:48:50,200 --> 01:48:47,570
supposed to do was the launch off a sled

2602
01:48:52,390 --> 01:48:50,210
track that was a couple miles in length

2603
01:48:54,550 --> 01:48:52,400
it would basically zoom into the

2604
01:48:57,130 --> 01:48:54,560
atmosphere and then when it came down

2605
01:48:58,930 --> 01:48:57,140
back down on a ballistic re-entry it

2606
01:49:02,620 --> 01:48:58,940
would bounce off the atmosphere again

2607
01:49:04,450 --> 01:49:02,630
and have a further forward motion and it

2608
01:49:06,370 --> 01:49:04,460
could have this keep having this balance

2609
01:49:08,290 --> 01:49:06,380
effect until it reached its destination

2610
01:49:10,380 --> 01:49:08,300
which he envisioned as being the United

2611
01:49:14,050 --> 01:49:10,390
States where he was going to drop

2612
01:49:15,550 --> 01:49:14,060
basically was a dirty bomb and on the

2613
01:49:18,070 --> 01:49:15,560
unamerican cities this was something

2614
01:49:20,410 --> 01:49:18,080
that was that was very much believed to

2615
01:49:22,270 --> 01:49:20,420
be possible at the time even though we

2616
01:49:24,520 --> 01:49:22,280
now know that it probably wouldn't have

2617
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:24,530
worked but not only a Germans were

2618
01:49:27,610 --> 01:49:26,090
interested in his research but the

2619
01:49:30,550 --> 01:49:27,620
Russians were very much interested as

2620
01:49:34,360 --> 01:49:30,560
well so they they actually after the war

2621
01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:34,370
got some of his secret reports Stalin

2622
01:49:38,260 --> 01:49:37,130
himself was so enamored of this concept

2623
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:38,270
because remember he didn't have the bomb

2624
01:49:41,890 --> 01:49:39,770
at the time he didn't have an atomic

2625
01:49:44,950 --> 01:49:41,900
capability so if he had the ability to

2626
01:49:46,900 --> 01:49:44,960
bomb American cities with this America

2627
01:49:49,480 --> 01:49:46,910
bomber then that was gonna be his top

2628
01:49:53,950 --> 01:49:49,490
priority so he convened a conference in

2629
01:49:57,160 --> 01:49:53,960
May of 1947 it just so turns out that

2630
01:49:58,060 --> 01:49:57,170
good you know June in 1947 we have all

2631
01:50:00,640 --> 01:49:58,070
of a sudden

2632
01:50:03,520 --> 01:50:00,650
this UFO remember back then it wasn't a

2633
01:50:05,919 --> 01:50:03,530
UFO it was a flying saucer because it

2634
01:50:08,169 --> 01:50:05,929
was described as skipping over like like

2635
01:50:10,149 --> 01:50:08,179
a like a stone on water which is exactly

2636
01:50:12,399 --> 01:50:10,159
how the American bomber was described as

2637
01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:12,409
doing on the atmosphere so it's just to

2638
01:50:17,439 --> 01:50:15,530
me too convenient that we have you know

2639
01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:17,449
Stalin's super interested in this new

2640
01:50:21,490 --> 01:50:19,730
futuristic weapon that was skipped

2641
01:50:22,810 --> 01:50:21,500
across the atmosphere like like a stone

2642
01:50:25,930 --> 01:50:22,820
skips across water and all of a sudden

2643
01:50:28,209 --> 01:50:25,940
we have stories of a flying saucer that

2644
01:50:29,620 --> 01:50:28,219
exhibits similar behavior so that I

2645
01:50:31,330 --> 01:50:29,630
think there's the tie end to the

2646
01:50:33,189 --> 01:50:31,340
deception where we are trying to

2647
01:50:35,229 --> 01:50:33,199
convince the Russians hey what you want

2648
01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:35,239
we have and not only do we have it we're

2649
01:50:39,939 --> 01:50:37,730
experimenting with it and that led for

2650
01:50:42,550 --> 01:50:39,949
example I think to Roswell toward led to

2651
01:50:44,050 --> 01:50:42,560
more island it was all surrounding

2652
01:50:45,879 --> 01:50:44,060
trying to convince Russians we had

2653
01:50:47,140 --> 01:50:45,889
something they did not well that kind of

2654
01:50:49,330 --> 01:50:47,150
leads us to one of our listener

2655
01:50:52,030 --> 01:50:49,340
questions this one comes from fedora

2656
01:50:54,850 --> 01:50:52,040
chronicles who posted his question at

2657
01:50:56,709 --> 01:50:54,860
forum dr. Peric ascom who since we're

2658
01:50:58,270 --> 01:50:56,719
talking about roswell he asked tell us

2659
01:51:00,399 --> 01:50:58,280
about your thoughts on Roswell

2660
01:51:02,229 --> 01:51:00,409
I'm on the fence because I believe the

2661
01:51:04,569 --> 01:51:02,239
UFO crash could have been a cover-up of

2662
01:51:07,180 --> 01:51:04,579
a real crash about flying wedge or wing

2663
01:51:09,100 --> 01:51:07,190
that the military was testing that was

2664
01:51:12,280 --> 01:51:09,110
based off technology taken from Germany

2665
01:51:14,379 --> 01:51:12,290
during Operation Paperclip or it was

2666
01:51:15,939 --> 01:51:14,389
really an alien spacecraft he wants to

2667
01:51:18,280 --> 01:51:15,949
know first of all which theory do you

2668
01:51:19,660 --> 01:51:18,290
subscribe to and I think I we kind of

2669
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:19,670
know where you're gonna go with it but

2670
01:51:24,459 --> 01:51:22,010
what he wants to know is do you think

2671
01:51:26,410 --> 01:51:24,469
that there's a possibility there's some

2672
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:26,420
sort of secret technology got out of

2673
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:29,360
control or out of hand and then they had

2674
01:51:35,020 --> 01:51:31,489
to cover that up I don't I don't believe

2675
01:51:37,780 --> 01:51:35,030
that at all and I'll tell you what why I

2676
01:51:40,270 --> 01:51:37,790
think that that theory to me is just

2677
01:51:42,250 --> 01:51:40,280
complete rubbish if let's take for

2678
01:51:44,410 --> 01:51:42,260
example what happened alright so we have

2679
01:51:47,080 --> 01:51:44,420
this alleged crash of this UFO outside

2680
01:51:49,629 --> 01:51:47,090
of Roswell New Mexico and who blabs to

2681
01:51:52,270 --> 01:51:49,639
the press it's the final 9th bomb group

2682
01:51:54,580 --> 01:51:52,280
that puts out a press release that on

2683
01:51:57,370 --> 01:51:54,590
its face is the most ludicrous thing I

2684
01:51:59,109 --> 01:51:57,380
have ever heard in my life because who

2685
01:52:00,609 --> 01:51:59,119
is the five-o ninth group they're the

2686
01:52:03,609 --> 01:52:00,619
same folks that dropped the bombs on

2687
01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:03,619
Japan they're the same folks at in 1946

2688
01:52:09,339 --> 01:52:05,570
drops the drop the bomb over Bikini

2689
01:52:12,350 --> 01:52:09,349
Atoll these are the folks that were of

2690
01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:12,360
the highest calibre the most Intel

2691
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the folks that had to beat Riley trusted

2692
01:52:17,750 --> 01:52:16,350
because we're dealing with you know in

2693
01:52:19,910 --> 01:52:17,760
the Manhattan Project and all this

2694
01:52:22,100 --> 01:52:19,920
atomic weaponry and they're the folks

2695
01:52:24,440 --> 01:52:22,110
that are so well indoctrinated and

2696
01:52:25,880 --> 01:52:24,450
keeping things secret it makes no sense

2697
01:52:28,130 --> 01:52:25,890
that they're gonna put out a press

2698
01:52:31,370 --> 01:52:28,140
release if they uncover any technology

2699
01:52:32,750 --> 01:52:31,380
that by itself is what actually I think

2700
01:52:34,910 --> 01:52:32,760
more than anything led me in this

2701
01:52:36,500 --> 01:52:34,920
journey to try to understand what

2702
01:52:38,660 --> 01:52:36,510
surrounded Roswell and Kenneth Arnold

2703
01:52:41,120 --> 01:52:38,670
and Maury island because as a person

2704
01:52:43,430 --> 01:52:41,130
who's been in the military who's had a

2705
01:52:43,910 --> 01:52:43,440
top secret clearance you keep your mouth

2706
01:52:45,830 --> 01:52:43,920
shut

2707
01:52:47,630 --> 01:52:45,840
you don't go out there and put out a

2708
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press release if you happen if something

2709
01:52:52,520 --> 01:52:49,800
happened to crash that was of important

2710
01:52:54,260 --> 01:52:52,530
national security a goose you know you

2711
01:52:56,240 --> 01:52:54,270
simply don't do that I have another

2712
01:52:58,970 --> 01:52:56,250
question here this one comes from Bona

2713
01:53:01,670 --> 01:52:58,980
venture who's been a longtime poster at

2714
01:53:04,280 --> 01:53:01,680
forum dr. Peric ascom he doesn't come

2715
01:53:06,350 --> 01:53:04,290
out and ask very many questions but he

2716
01:53:08,660 --> 01:53:06,360
came out for you James and he wants to

2717
01:53:11,030 --> 01:53:08,670
know if you think the UFO mystery is

2718
01:53:13,880 --> 01:53:11,040
largely the creation of the military and

2719
01:53:16,220 --> 01:53:13,890
the security agencies absent deliberate

2720
01:53:18,530 --> 01:53:16,230
deception does any evidence remain that

2721
01:53:21,350 --> 01:53:18,540
points to an extraterrestrial visitation

2722
01:53:23,060 --> 01:53:21,360
well I can tell you that my belief is

2723
01:53:26,450 --> 01:53:23,070
that what the activities surround in

2724
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:26,460
1946 to 1947 was was from my point of

2725
01:53:31,220 --> 01:53:28,890
view strategic deception operation so

2726
01:53:33,380 --> 01:53:31,230
definitely involving military

2727
01:53:34,550 --> 01:53:33,390
intelligence agencies but then we you

2728
01:53:36,710 --> 01:53:34,560
know this it's a very interesting

2729
01:53:38,870 --> 01:53:36,720
question because this is where we get

2730
01:53:41,060 --> 01:53:38,880
into the bucket argument what I call the

2731
01:53:42,950 --> 01:53:41,070
bucket argument is that people that are

2732
01:53:45,140 --> 01:53:42,960
believers or that that truly believe in

2733
01:53:47,540 --> 01:53:45,150
UFOs and extraterrestrial visitation

2734
01:53:48,830 --> 01:53:47,550
they want to have one bucket of evidence

2735
01:53:50,630 --> 01:53:48,840
everything gets thrown into this bucket

2736
01:53:53,030 --> 01:53:50,640
right from the building of the pyramids

2737
01:53:55,580 --> 01:53:53,040
to the Foo Fighters to ghost rockets to

2738
01:53:57,920 --> 01:53:55,590
Roswell to you name it it all goes into

2739
01:53:59,600 --> 01:53:57,930
one large bucket and if you try to take

2740
01:54:01,370 --> 01:53:59,610
anything out of that bucket well no no

2741
01:54:02,900 --> 01:54:01,380
you can't because all the other stuff in

2742
01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:02,910
the bucket means it's extraterrestrial

2743
01:54:07,430 --> 01:54:04,890
or there's you know there's proof there

2744
01:54:09,710 --> 01:54:07,440
and I think that it's not the way to

2745
01:54:11,630 --> 01:54:09,720
approach the subject at all I think you

2746
01:54:14,210 --> 01:54:11,640
have to compartmentalize your research I

2747
01:54:17,750 --> 01:54:14,220
think you have to focus on your research

2748
01:54:19,850 --> 01:54:17,760
into certain discrete cases and discrete

2749
01:54:21,410 --> 01:54:19,860
timeframes and really you can't just

2750
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:21,420
pile up the evidence and say it all

2751
01:54:23,900 --> 01:54:23,010
makes sense all together it simply

2752
01:54:25,610 --> 01:54:23,910
doesn't

2753
01:54:27,650 --> 01:54:25,620
because I'll be honest and tell you that

2754
01:54:29,720 --> 01:54:27,660
I believe that there is life out there

2755
01:54:32,180 --> 01:54:29,730
in the universe I think the possibility

2756
01:54:34,270 --> 01:54:32,190
of life not being out there of life not

2757
01:54:36,260 --> 01:54:34,280
being out there is absolutely no

2758
01:54:38,270 --> 01:54:36,270
statistically there is life out there on

2759
01:54:40,970 --> 01:54:38,280
other planets the question is have they

2760
01:54:43,510 --> 01:54:40,980
arrived here either today in the near

2761
01:54:46,790 --> 01:54:43,520
past or in the in the very you know

2762
01:54:49,430 --> 01:54:46,800
distant past it's very plausible that we

2763
01:54:51,740 --> 01:54:49,440
had alien visitation way back whenever

2764
01:54:54,020 --> 01:54:51,750
or it could be very plausibly have alien

2765
01:54:56,720 --> 01:54:54,030
visitation today so I'm not saying that

2766
01:54:59,420 --> 01:54:56,730
that's not a possibility and not saying

2767
01:55:02,150 --> 01:54:59,430
that at all what I'm advocating is that

2768
01:55:04,790 --> 01:55:02,160
the early days of UFOs the modern day

2769
01:55:08,450 --> 01:55:04,800
UFO era 1946-1947

2770
01:55:10,340 --> 01:55:08,460
that timeframe I don't believe was had

2771
01:55:12,200 --> 01:55:10,350
anything to do with extraterrestrial

2772
01:55:14,120 --> 01:55:12,210
visitation we have another question from

2773
01:55:16,760 --> 01:55:14,130
burnt State who's one of our very active

2774
01:55:19,160 --> 01:55:16,770
posters at forum dr. parrot cast calm

2775
01:55:21,410 --> 01:55:19,170
and first up first of all he compliments

2776
01:55:23,390 --> 01:55:21,420
you on your website and all the great

2777
01:55:25,400 --> 01:55:23,400
newspaper articles that you've dug up

2778
01:55:27,500 --> 01:55:25,410
that report on the whole ghost rocket

2779
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:27,510
phenomenon but he's very interested to

2780
01:55:32,900 --> 01:55:30,450
know if you've made contact with UFO

2781
01:55:34,460 --> 01:55:32,910
Sweden to get access to there are many

2782
01:55:37,010 --> 01:55:34,470
reports and government files pertaining

2783
01:55:38,780 --> 01:55:37,020
to witness accounts of structured craft

2784
01:55:41,960 --> 01:55:38,790
and rockets landing and legs

2785
01:55:44,090 --> 01:55:41,970
crashing without debris and he says that

2786
01:55:45,860 --> 01:55:44,100
this type of phenomenon continues to

2787
01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:45,870
this day what do you think of their

2788
01:55:50,930 --> 01:55:48,330
findings and are you aware of their

2789
01:55:53,720 --> 01:55:50,940
upcoming documentary on the ghost rocket

2790
01:55:55,760 --> 01:55:53,730
phenomenon I did come across their

2791
01:55:58,460 --> 01:55:55,770
website and their discussion of his

2792
01:56:00,200 --> 01:55:58,470
upcoming documentary and I have not

2793
01:56:01,940 --> 01:56:00,210
looked at their archives and in fact I

2794
01:56:03,260 --> 01:56:01,950
addressed it in my book it's one of the

2795
01:56:06,440 --> 01:56:03,270
areas that we really like to dig more

2796
01:56:08,690 --> 01:56:06,450
into it's been sort of an obstacle based

2797
01:56:11,240 --> 01:56:08,700
on where the archives are at and and the

2798
01:56:12,770 --> 01:56:11,250
fact that I know absolutely zero Swedish

2799
01:56:15,320 --> 01:56:12,780
so there had to be some sort of

2800
01:56:17,030 --> 01:56:15,330
translator involved but what I did find

2801
01:56:21,470 --> 01:56:17,040
out that I think was very helpful my

2802
01:56:23,030 --> 01:56:21,480
research was there was in 1946 one of

2803
01:56:25,790 --> 01:56:23,040
the ghost rocket sightings that made the

2804
01:56:27,950 --> 01:56:25,800
newspapers all over the world had to do

2805
01:56:29,990 --> 01:56:27,960
with the alleged collision of a ghost

2806
01:56:31,700 --> 01:56:30,000
rocket with a military plane a Swedish

2807
01:56:34,670 --> 01:56:31,710
military plane where three Swedish

2808
01:56:37,160 --> 01:56:34,680
fliers died now this made the newspapers

2809
01:56:38,750 --> 01:56:37,170
everywhere and

2810
01:56:40,189 --> 01:56:38,760
a lot of ufologist point to and say oh

2811
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:40,199
it was a real phenomenon look what

2812
01:56:43,490 --> 01:56:41,850
happened there was this collision but

2813
01:56:45,620 --> 01:56:43,500
then what the Swedish researchers from

2814
01:56:48,020 --> 01:56:45,630
the Swedish UF organization dug up in

2815
01:56:49,610 --> 01:56:48,030
government archives is that that crash

2816
01:56:52,459 --> 01:56:49,620
of that plane had nothing to do with the

2817
01:56:54,169 --> 01:56:52,469
ghost rockets it was made up so part and

2818
01:56:56,090 --> 01:56:54,179
parcel of this deception I'm talking

2819
01:56:59,030 --> 01:56:56,100
about so that gave me some confirmation

2820
01:57:01,400 --> 01:56:59,040
of that time period I don't know what

2821
01:57:03,560 --> 01:57:01,410
goes on today in Sweden and I really

2822
01:57:05,660 --> 01:57:03,570
can't speculate but I do know that back

2823
01:57:07,729 --> 01:57:05,670
during that timeframe there's a lot of

2824
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eyewitness testimony there's a lot of

2825
01:57:12,740 --> 01:57:10,290
alleged testimony around Roswell and

2826
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again this goes back to deception when

2827
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you're dealing with deception right the

2828
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fact that you're deceiving the public

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means that the public's gonna report

2830
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what they see they're gonna be honest

2831
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about it it doesn't mean the deception

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did not occur it just simply means

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they're not part they're not in on the

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now just parenthetically there's a lot

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James carry on I mentioned some of the

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early abduction cases is possibly being

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drugs I mentioned specifically and we've

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talked about it before Barney and Betty

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2942
02:02:25,040 --> 02:02:22,050
good question because it's if I have to

2943
02:02:26,870 --> 02:02:25,050
say if anything really struck me as a

2944
02:02:27,830 --> 02:02:26,880
mystery when I was ahead of MUFON I

2945
02:02:29,899 --> 02:02:27,840
really have to do with the whole

2946
02:02:32,390 --> 02:02:29,909
abduction phenomena for a couple reasons

2947
02:02:34,580 --> 02:02:32,400
one there was there's a lot of evidence

2948
02:02:36,859 --> 02:02:34,590
you know from from the abduction

2949
02:02:39,109 --> 02:02:36,869
transcription project that MUFON ran

2950
02:02:41,180 --> 02:02:39,119
where we where we basically partnered up

2951
02:02:43,879 --> 02:02:41,190
with some hypnotherapist and some

2952
02:02:46,009 --> 02:02:43,889
counselors so that we could record the

2953
02:02:49,100 --> 02:02:46,019
the we can record transcripts of these

2954
02:02:50,629 --> 02:02:49,110
alleged abductors while they were being

2955
02:02:52,790 --> 02:02:50,639
hypnotized and understand if there was

2956
02:02:56,209 --> 02:02:52,800
some commonality in their stories but I

2957
02:02:57,919 --> 02:02:56,219
had some very close friends that who

2958
02:03:00,799 --> 02:02:57,929
also claimed to have been abducted and

2959
02:03:03,709 --> 02:03:00,809
and they sounded very credible they

2960
02:03:06,739 --> 02:03:03,719
sounded very sincere so the experience

2961
02:03:09,350 --> 02:03:06,749
that the experience itself seems to be

2962
02:03:11,779 --> 02:03:09,360
based in sincerity where it originates

2963
02:03:13,819 --> 02:03:11,789
that I'm not sure I mean you mentioned

2964
02:03:15,379 --> 02:03:13,829
mind-control you mentioned possible

2965
02:03:16,600 --> 02:03:15,389
experiments we know the CIA was very

2966
02:03:19,660 --> 02:03:16,610
much involved in that

2967
02:03:21,729 --> 02:03:19,670
experimentation some folks believe it to

2968
02:03:23,560 --> 02:03:21,739
be a religious nature you know there are

2969
02:03:25,390 --> 02:03:23,570
a lot of folks that think it's if you

2970
02:03:27,609 --> 02:03:25,400
believe in angels and demons that's a

2971
02:03:29,290 --> 02:03:27,619
demonic activity so there are a lot of

2972
02:03:31,390 --> 02:03:29,300
different explanations for it I don't

2973
02:03:32,950 --> 02:03:31,400
have an explanation for it now I don't

2974
02:03:35,140 --> 02:03:32,960
even have a terrestrial explanation for

2975
02:03:37,750 --> 02:03:35,150
it just because they haven't have done

2976
02:03:40,149 --> 02:03:37,760
no research into that area but I do know

2977
02:03:42,490 --> 02:03:40,159
that it's very intriguing Chris you know

2978
02:03:44,830 --> 02:03:42,500
reading the Rosetta deception and

2979
02:03:47,500 --> 02:03:44,840
looking at the very careful way that

2980
02:03:51,160 --> 02:03:47,510
deception operations were conceived and

2981
02:03:55,030 --> 02:03:51,170
enacted if you fast forward you know 60

2982
02:03:58,780 --> 02:03:55,040
years to a particular character that you

2983
02:04:01,090 --> 02:03:58,790
had a bit of dealings with fairly

2984
02:04:03,250 --> 02:04:01,100
recently Robert Bigelow

2985
02:04:06,129 --> 02:04:03,260
from Bigelow Aerospace and the

2986
02:04:10,060 --> 02:04:06,139
skinwalker ranch scenario and of course

2987
02:04:12,850 --> 02:04:10,070
a star program or Fiasco I think might

2988
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:12,860
be a better term for it do you think

2989
02:04:19,629 --> 02:04:16,010
that the intelligence operations have

2990
02:04:22,780 --> 02:04:19,639
become so fine-tuned that they can

2991
02:04:26,320 --> 02:04:22,790
literally run roughshod over any sense

2992
02:04:29,709 --> 02:04:26,330
of an et involvement or you know use

2993
02:04:33,550 --> 02:04:29,719
that et involvement scenario as a cover

2994
02:04:36,370 --> 02:04:33,560
for very real deceptive practices by the

2995
02:04:38,500 --> 02:04:36,380
military all of us can walk a ranch for

2996
02:04:42,070 --> 02:04:38,510
instance absolutely you know I think

2997
02:04:45,370 --> 02:04:42,080
that the large amount of mythology that

2998
02:04:48,010 --> 02:04:45,380
surrounds area 51 for example you know a

2999
02:04:50,320 --> 02:04:48,020
lot of that I think was originated in

3000
02:04:51,790 --> 02:04:50,330
the military as an operation to just

3001
02:04:54,100 --> 02:04:51,800
cover up what was really happening in

3002
02:04:56,430 --> 02:04:54,110
area 51 which was very mundane in nature

3003
02:04:58,810 --> 02:04:56,440
so I think that the intelligence

3004
02:05:00,700 --> 02:04:58,820
established the whole intelligence

3005
02:05:03,640 --> 02:05:00,710
establishment uses the phenomena uses

3006
02:05:07,209 --> 02:05:03,650
the mythology uses the subject to cover

3007
02:05:10,240 --> 02:05:07,219
up any number of mundane operations you

3008
02:05:12,580 --> 02:05:10,250
know I found that my involvement with

3009
02:05:14,680 --> 02:05:12,590
Robert Bigelow and the skinwalker ranch

3010
02:05:17,379 --> 02:05:14,690
the fact that I you know I basically

3011
02:05:19,720 --> 02:05:17,389
paid my own way to go there and was

3012
02:05:22,270 --> 02:05:19,730
refused entry on the ranch that lack of

3013
02:05:24,070 --> 02:05:22,280
transparency tells me that there's

3014
02:05:26,620 --> 02:05:24,080
something else going on I'm sorry this

3015
02:05:28,990 --> 02:05:26,630
this this whole subject is so muddied

3016
02:05:29,980 --> 02:05:29,000
already what you don't need is is is

3017
02:05:35,320 --> 02:05:29,990
more

3018
02:05:37,990 --> 02:05:35,330
and when I started seeing that in the

3019
02:05:39,790 --> 02:05:38,000
hole MUFON Bass relationship that's when

3020
02:05:41,530 --> 02:05:39,800
I started a question you know what's

3021
02:05:43,600 --> 02:05:41,540
really behind all of that and I voiced

3022
02:05:46,120 --> 02:05:43,610
my opinions to the board and all of this

3023
02:05:48,250 --> 02:05:46,130
history after that because you know they

3024
02:05:51,040 --> 02:05:48,260
went behind my back and and renegotiated

3025
02:05:54,160 --> 02:05:51,050
that contract so the bottom line being

3026
02:05:57,550 --> 02:05:54,170
that I think this is very well known if

3027
02:05:59,290 --> 02:05:57,560
you think you can dance with these

3028
02:06:01,660 --> 02:05:59,300
intelligence agencies and they don't

3029
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:01,670
want you to dance with them you're never

3030
02:06:06,310 --> 02:06:03,770
gonna dance the bottom line is there

3031
02:06:09,280 --> 02:06:06,320
will be a way where you'll end on the on

3032
02:06:12,250 --> 02:06:09,290
the outside of that so I think there is

3033
02:06:13,390 --> 02:06:12,260
a very very interesting dance happening

3034
02:06:15,430 --> 02:06:13,400
between you follow G and the

3035
02:06:20,230 --> 02:06:15,440
intelligence organizations that have

3036
02:06:22,330 --> 02:06:20,240
more to do with what the the goals of

3037
02:06:24,430 --> 02:06:22,340
the intelligence agencies are then a

3038
02:06:26,470 --> 02:06:24,440
cover-up of of extraterrestrial

3039
02:06:27,580 --> 02:06:26,480
visitation so what about MUFON in

3040
02:06:30,100 --> 02:06:27,590
general do you think that an

3041
02:06:31,720 --> 02:06:30,110
organization is a bunch of sincere

3042
02:06:32,350 --> 02:06:31,730
civilians trying to find out what's

3043
02:06:35,020 --> 02:06:32,360
going on

3044
02:06:38,380 --> 02:06:35,030
or something that's advancing the

3045
02:06:40,660 --> 02:06:38,390
disinformation I don't think you can

3046
02:06:42,550 --> 02:06:40,670
really label it that easily I think

3047
02:06:43,900 --> 02:06:42,560
there are folks that genuinely have in

3048
02:06:46,270 --> 02:06:43,910
the organization they have a genuine

3049
02:06:48,400 --> 02:06:46,280
interest and knowing the truth I think

3050
02:06:50,730 --> 02:06:48,410
there are folks than the organization

3051
02:06:53,680 --> 02:06:50,740
that are very much true believers and

3052
02:06:57,480 --> 02:06:53,690
they just they discard a lot of evidence

3053
02:07:01,150 --> 02:06:57,490
presented to them I think I'm just I am

3054
02:07:02,800 --> 02:07:01,160
disillusioned and very much I feel not a

3055
02:07:04,930 --> 02:07:02,810
favor of MUFON just from the point of

3056
02:07:07,150 --> 02:07:04,940
view of they've lost their way their

3057
02:07:08,920 --> 02:07:07,160
model is the scientific investigation of

3058
02:07:10,870 --> 02:07:08,930
UFOs and you would be hard-pressed to

3059
02:07:12,670 --> 02:07:10,880
find anything that resembles science and

3060
02:07:14,740 --> 02:07:12,680
that organization I think that's

3061
02:07:16,120 --> 02:07:14,750
reflected in this recent document or

3062
02:07:18,010 --> 02:07:16,130
these these shows that they're doing on

3063
02:07:19,990 --> 02:07:18,020
Discovery Channel you know it's it's

3064
02:07:22,860 --> 02:07:20,000
almost embarrassing to watch to see

3065
02:07:25,750 --> 02:07:22,870
MUFON actually lower themselves to

3066
02:07:28,390 --> 02:07:25,760
repeating mythology and repeating

3067
02:07:31,210 --> 02:07:28,400
folklore and repeating outrageous

3068
02:07:32,350 --> 02:07:31,220
allegations and and not sticking to what

3069
02:07:34,420 --> 02:07:32,360
they should be sticking to you which is

3070
02:07:36,100 --> 02:07:34,430
pure science I was just gonna ask you

3071
02:07:39,670 --> 02:07:36,110
what you thought of the show hangar one

3072
02:07:41,180 --> 02:07:39,680
and in using very very tenuous sort of

3073
02:07:43,880 --> 02:07:41,190
pop culture

3074
02:07:46,430 --> 02:07:43,890
versions of events like for instance the

3075
02:07:50,180 --> 02:07:46,440
the whole story of Nixon taking Jackie

3076
02:07:53,209 --> 02:07:50,190
Gleason down to Florida does Sean alien

3077
02:07:55,100 --> 02:07:53,219
bodies well for the young person that

3078
02:07:57,939 --> 02:07:55,110
that wants to get involved in ufology

3079
02:08:01,250 --> 02:07:57,949
who really has you know our altruistic

3080
02:08:03,350 --> 02:08:01,260
you know motivations to get to the

3081
02:08:06,290 --> 02:08:03,360
bottom of this whole thing you know kind

3082
02:08:08,630 --> 02:08:06,300
of the way I was early on in my my life

3083
02:08:10,400 --> 02:08:08,640
when I looked at these subjects I mean

3084
02:08:13,010 --> 02:08:10,410
what do you tell someone like that how

3085
02:08:15,650 --> 02:08:13,020
can a the average person who's getting

3086
02:08:18,740 --> 02:08:15,660
involved in this for the first time how

3087
02:08:20,930 --> 02:08:18,750
can they separate signal from noise how

3088
02:08:23,360 --> 02:08:20,940
can they differentiate between deception

3089
02:08:24,560 --> 02:08:23,370
and what are obviously real events I

3090
02:08:27,709 --> 02:08:24,570
think I think with that we're dealing

3091
02:08:30,020 --> 02:08:27,719
with real events on some level however I

3092
02:08:31,910 --> 02:08:30,030
agree with you there's probably a good

3093
02:08:33,860 --> 02:08:31,920
chance the majority of events that

3094
02:08:36,170 --> 02:08:33,870
people are experiencing have a very

3095
02:08:37,729 --> 02:08:36,180
prosaic and mundane explanation what

3096
02:08:41,959 --> 02:08:37,739
would you tell a young person getting

3097
02:08:45,560 --> 02:08:41,969
involved in this morass of a field as a

3098
02:08:49,280 --> 02:08:45,570
neophyte well you know I would say based

3099
02:08:51,950 --> 02:08:49,290
on my years of exposure is don't focus

3100
02:08:54,620 --> 02:08:51,960
on the signal focus on the noise there's

3101
02:08:56,450 --> 02:08:54,630
a lot to be learned from the noise it's

3102
02:08:58,729 --> 02:08:56,460
it's almost you know I've said this

3103
02:09:00,470 --> 02:08:58,739
quite a few times the absence of

3104
02:09:03,200 --> 02:09:00,480
evidence is as telling as the presence

3105
02:09:04,880 --> 02:09:03,210
of evidence so if you go into the into

3106
02:09:07,250 --> 02:09:04,890
this field with an open mind you put

3107
02:09:09,170 --> 02:09:07,260
aside your beliefs you really look to

3108
02:09:11,810 --> 02:09:09,180
see why there's so much noise

3109
02:09:13,370 --> 02:09:11,820
surrounding this field pay attention to

3110
02:09:16,670 --> 02:09:13,380
the noise pay attention to the

3111
02:09:18,590 --> 02:09:16,680
characters that are in the field make

3112
02:09:20,600 --> 02:09:18,600
sure that you check their sources make

3113
02:09:22,430 --> 02:09:20,610
sure you check every single fact you

3114
02:09:23,600 --> 02:09:22,440
better be a fact checker because if

3115
02:09:25,700 --> 02:09:23,610
you're not a fact checker you're gonna

3116
02:09:29,870 --> 02:09:25,710
be at the recipient end of

3117
02:09:32,390 --> 02:09:29,880
disinformation hoaxes and just being led

3118
02:09:34,760 --> 02:09:32,400
down the primrose path that a lot of you

3119
02:09:36,560 --> 02:09:34,770
follow just find themselves so the

3120
02:09:39,290 --> 02:09:36,570
bottom line is you know go out there

3121
02:09:41,660 --> 02:09:39,300
with a sincere desire to know truth and

3122
02:09:43,430 --> 02:09:41,670
to learn truth no matter how hurtful

3123
02:09:45,410 --> 02:09:43,440
that truth may be even if it hurts your

3124
02:09:47,870 --> 02:09:45,420
own beliefs you know look for that truth

3125
02:09:50,120 --> 02:09:47,880
well the obvious question I think many

3126
02:09:52,550 --> 02:09:50,130
of our listeners would want Jean or

3127
02:09:56,300 --> 02:09:52,560
myself to ask you is

3128
02:10:00,140 --> 02:09:56,310
are there any cases that are truly

3129
02:10:04,850 --> 02:10:00,150
unknown that you feel could indicate

3130
02:10:06,980 --> 02:10:04,860
some sort of presence that is beyond the

3131
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capabilities of our own military

3132
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intelligence operative deception this

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sort of scenario that we've been talking

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about what are your favorite truly hi

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strange cases you'll answer that in the

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3244
02:14:48,280 --> 02:14:45,950
you're listening to the Parrikar the

3245
02:14:51,310 --> 02:14:48,290
power casts with Gene and Kris talking

3246
02:14:53,680 --> 02:14:51,320
to James carry on so high strange cases

3247
02:14:56,530 --> 02:14:53,690
James do you know something you want to

3248
02:14:59,110 --> 02:14:56,540
talk about well I'll have to say that I

3249
02:15:02,890 --> 02:14:59,120
can't point to one that's in the

3250
02:15:05,080 --> 02:15:02,900
historical literature because I haven't

3251
02:15:07,660 --> 02:15:05,090
personally investigated it but the ones

3252
02:15:09,960 --> 02:15:07,670
I've personally investigated again I

3253
02:15:12,100 --> 02:15:09,970
have to go back to the abduction cases

3254
02:15:15,610 --> 02:15:12,110
because there was one particular

3255
02:15:18,390 --> 02:15:15,620
abduction case that I have in mind where

3256
02:15:21,940 --> 02:15:18,400
to me it was it was very compelling

3257
02:15:25,240 --> 02:15:21,950
witness testimony there was these were

3258
02:15:27,400 --> 02:15:25,250
folks that had no interest in notoriety

3259
02:15:30,160 --> 02:15:27,410
no no interest in it being made public

3260
02:15:31,420 --> 02:15:30,170
and and their the way they described the

3261
02:15:34,330 --> 02:15:31,430
events and the strain the high

3262
02:15:37,030 --> 02:15:34,340
strangeness of the events just was to me

3263
02:15:38,560 --> 02:15:37,040
extremely compelling so again I'm going

3264
02:15:40,600 --> 02:15:38,570
back to the abduction cases and to me

3265
02:15:43,240 --> 02:15:40,610
these these are the ones that probably

3266
02:15:47,410 --> 02:15:43,250
are the most intriguing to me but as far

3267
02:15:50,080 --> 02:15:47,420
as structured craft UFO crashes you know

3268
02:15:52,660 --> 02:15:50,090
major sighting events there's nothing

3269
02:15:54,610 --> 02:15:52,670
really that strikes me as is high

3270
02:15:57,070 --> 02:15:54,620
strangeness because they're historical

3271
02:15:59,260 --> 02:15:57,080
in nature number one and the ones that I

3272
02:16:00,630 --> 02:15:59,270
personally investigate well the MUFON is

3273
02:16:02,880 --> 02:16:00,640
simply didn't pan out

3274
02:16:05,010 --> 02:16:02,890
okay you say didn't pan out you went

3275
02:16:06,540 --> 02:16:05,020
through these cases that seemed the most

3276
02:16:08,280 --> 02:16:06,550
compelling and everyone had a

3277
02:16:10,200 --> 02:16:08,290
conventional explanation or did you

3278
02:16:11,970 --> 02:16:10,210
actually find evidence that maybe there

3279
02:16:14,670 --> 02:16:11,980
was some kind of military disinformation

3280
02:16:17,130 --> 02:16:14,680
going on mostly have to do with

3281
02:16:19,770 --> 02:16:17,140
deception yeah there was some level of

3282
02:16:21,270 --> 02:16:19,780
deception again this is unknown I call

3283
02:16:23,400 --> 02:16:21,280
it unknown deception because I don't

3284
02:16:26,100 --> 02:16:23,410
know if these folks that perpetrated it

3285
02:16:28,230 --> 02:16:26,110
had a personal reason for doing it you

3286
02:16:29,370 --> 02:16:28,240
know they just wanted to go out there

3287
02:16:32,220 --> 02:16:29,380
and perpetrate a hoax

3288
02:16:34,140 --> 02:16:32,230
there was a money aspect to it or there

3289
02:16:35,760 --> 02:16:34,150
were maybe an Intelligence Agency aspect

3290
02:16:39,240 --> 02:16:35,770
to it all I know it was human

3291
02:16:39,860 --> 02:16:39,250
involvement and nothing highly strange

3292
02:16:42,660 --> 02:16:39,870
about it

3293
02:16:43,919 --> 02:16:42,670
the problem is here of course is most of

3294
02:16:45,600 --> 02:16:43,929
the sightings never really get

3295
02:16:47,580 --> 02:16:45,610
investigated and you see a light in the

3296
02:16:49,140 --> 02:16:47,590
sky or somebody takes a picture of

3297
02:16:51,030 --> 02:16:49,150
lights and that's it that's the

3298
02:16:53,850 --> 02:16:51,040
beginning and the end of it you never go

3299
02:16:55,919 --> 02:16:53,860
beyond that so you never know well yeah

3300
02:16:57,870 --> 02:16:55,929
I would agree with that but I'll have to

3301
02:17:01,770 --> 02:16:57,880
say something that I you know I think

3302
02:17:04,650 --> 02:17:01,780
that a lot of folks in ufology may not

3303
02:17:06,630 --> 02:17:04,660
like to hear and that is you know I

3304
02:17:08,550 --> 02:17:06,640
think the bottom line is there there are

3305
02:17:10,950 --> 02:17:08,560
folks that are in the field that call

3306
02:17:12,720 --> 02:17:10,960
themselves ufologists call themselves

3307
02:17:13,950 --> 02:17:12,730
researchers investigative journalists

3308
02:17:15,540 --> 02:17:13,960
whatever they want to call themselves it

3309
02:17:18,180 --> 02:17:15,550
doesn't really matter but when their

3310
02:17:20,220 --> 02:17:18,190
modus operandi is to purple is to

3311
02:17:23,490 --> 02:17:20,230
perpetuate the mystery instead of

3312
02:17:25,050 --> 02:17:23,500
solving it we have a big issue we have a

3313
02:17:26,250 --> 02:17:25,060
big problem because the mystery will

3314
02:17:29,400 --> 02:17:26,260
never get resolved as long as these

3315
02:17:31,290 --> 02:17:29,410
people are out there Hawking their

3316
02:17:33,390 --> 02:17:31,300
latest theories or the latest

3317
02:17:36,630 --> 02:17:33,400
controversy because for controversies

3318
02:17:38,700 --> 02:17:36,640
sake or their latest witness or their

3319
02:17:40,980 --> 02:17:38,710
latest you know lead investigation

3320
02:17:42,870 --> 02:17:40,990
whatever you want to call it it doesn't

3321
02:17:44,970 --> 02:17:42,880
really matter but if you don't have a

3322
02:17:47,070 --> 02:17:44,980
sincere interest in truth you're simply

3323
02:17:49,050 --> 02:17:47,080
interested in making the rounds of the

3324
02:17:52,290 --> 02:17:49,060
UFO talk circuit and have your group

3325
02:17:53,669 --> 02:17:52,300
agree exactly you're you're you're part

3326
02:17:56,220 --> 02:17:53,679
of the problem not part of the solution

3327
02:17:58,290 --> 02:17:56,230
well do you have a short list for us any

3328
02:18:02,010 --> 02:17:58,300
particularly individuals that you'd like

3329
02:18:03,750 --> 02:18:02,020
to single out yes my short list is just

3330
02:18:05,790 --> 02:18:03,760
pick any UFO conference out there and

3331
02:18:09,840 --> 02:18:05,800
grab the speakers that are there and

3332
02:18:12,240 --> 02:18:09,850
that's my short list oh my god no I I go

3333
02:18:13,879 --> 02:18:12,250
out there and speak uh-oh that's a broad

3334
02:18:17,809 --> 02:18:13,889
brush

3335
02:18:19,519 --> 02:18:17,819
do you have something to tell us you see

3336
02:18:21,109 --> 02:18:19,529
I all do lectures so I don't care about

3337
02:18:24,620 --> 02:18:21,119
this I actually well no I don't have

3338
02:18:28,040 --> 02:18:24,630
anything to you no no bring out I mean I

3339
02:18:30,290 --> 02:18:28,050
found myself on the the same D Asus some

3340
02:18:31,910 --> 02:18:30,300
individuals that if I had known they

3341
02:18:34,580 --> 02:18:31,920
were gonna be there believe me I would

3342
02:18:37,069 --> 02:18:34,590
not have agreed to do particular events

3343
02:18:39,530 --> 02:18:37,079
but but I think yeah I think James

3344
02:18:41,809 --> 02:18:39,540
brings up a really good point that you

3345
02:18:43,370 --> 02:18:41,819
know ufology and in the paranormal now

3346
02:18:45,769 --> 02:18:43,380
in general you know if you look at all

3347
02:18:49,459 --> 02:18:45,779
the ghost hunter shows and the spin-offs

3348
02:18:52,609 --> 02:18:49,469
and and Bigfoot and Krypto shows this

3349
02:18:55,370 --> 02:18:52,619
has now become an industry and it's an

3350
02:18:58,179 --> 02:18:55,380
industry that continually needs to come

3351
02:19:01,939 --> 02:18:58,189
up with new titillating information new

3352
02:19:04,879 --> 02:19:01,949
you know claims of events and that sort

3353
02:19:06,379 --> 02:19:04,889
of thing and in it you really get on the

3354
02:19:09,319 --> 02:19:06,389
slippery slope and you're heading

3355
02:19:11,149 --> 02:19:09,329
downhill real fast if you're as James

3356
02:19:14,120 --> 02:19:11,159
pointed out if you're concerned with

3357
02:19:16,129 --> 02:19:14,130
perpetuating a mystery as opposed to you

3358
02:19:18,889 --> 02:19:16,139
know coming up with some sort of

3359
02:19:20,990 --> 02:19:18,899
solution or at least a new way of

3360
02:19:23,240 --> 02:19:21,000
addressing how to research these things

3361
02:19:25,339 --> 02:19:23,250
properly I think we've really lost sight

3362
02:19:26,030 --> 02:19:25,349
of that in James you know it's a point

3363
02:19:28,399 --> 02:19:26,040
well taken

3364
02:19:30,830 --> 02:19:28,409
you know I'm thinking also here of the

3365
02:19:32,389 --> 02:19:30,840
case of William Moore now William Moore

3366
02:19:35,740 --> 02:19:32,399
was instrumental in the early research

3367
02:19:39,319 --> 02:19:35,750
into Roswell and many confesses in this

3368
02:19:41,870 --> 02:19:39,329
1989 meeting at MUFON in Las Vegas that

3369
02:19:45,189 --> 02:19:41,880
he was working for some government

3370
02:19:48,469 --> 02:19:45,199
disinformation people so do you think

3371
02:19:50,960 --> 02:19:48,479
the whole story here is that Roswell he

3372
02:19:53,719 --> 02:19:50,970
was one of the people who helped

3373
02:19:55,819 --> 02:19:53,729
perpetuate the Roswell myth you know I I

3374
02:19:58,700 --> 02:19:55,829
think William Moore has a very

3375
02:20:01,719 --> 02:19:58,710
interesting history and experience you

3376
02:20:06,439 --> 02:20:01,729
know I actually have been privileged to

3377
02:20:08,210 --> 02:20:06,449
look at some of his papers that that you

3378
02:20:12,019 --> 02:20:08,220
know out of his research that he left to

3379
02:20:15,260 --> 02:20:12,029
some ufologists and the I don't think

3380
02:20:19,130 --> 02:20:15,270
that he was part of the Roswell

3381
02:20:21,319 --> 02:20:19,140
deception or even perpetuating that as

3382
02:20:23,840 --> 02:20:21,329
much as I think he had a sincere

3383
02:20:26,210 --> 02:20:23,850
interest in finding the truth but he

3384
02:20:27,290 --> 02:20:26,220
found himself the same place a lot of

3385
02:20:29,600 --> 02:20:27,300
ufologist find them

3386
02:20:32,120 --> 02:20:29,610
and that is cultivating the inside

3387
02:20:34,280 --> 02:20:32,130
source and thinking that if they get

3388
02:20:36,591 --> 02:20:34,290
close to this inside source this alleged

3389
02:20:39,410 --> 02:20:36,601
government insider to their you know

3390
02:20:42,980 --> 02:20:39,420
they're privileged in some way in one

3391
02:20:45,290 --> 02:20:42,990
they can somehow they can win over their

3392
02:20:47,301 --> 02:20:45,300
insider to tell them what the real truth

3393
02:20:51,080 --> 02:20:47,311
is so they almost throw they're out

3394
02:20:54,620 --> 02:20:51,090
there fishing for you know for something

3395
02:20:56,841 --> 02:20:54,630
but at a high cost in this case it was

3396
02:20:58,700 --> 02:20:56,851
being you know actually willingly

3397
02:21:01,970 --> 02:20:58,710
participating in disinformation campaign

3398
02:21:04,820 --> 02:21:01,980
so the problem is that you know you try

3399
02:21:07,490 --> 02:21:04,830
to sell your soul to the devil

3400
02:21:09,230 --> 02:21:07,500
that's what I'll say you're gonna end up

3401
02:21:12,110 --> 02:21:09,240
on the losing end every time there

3402
02:21:13,910 --> 02:21:12,120
you'll be discredited people won't

3403
02:21:16,640 --> 02:21:13,920
listen to you they won't look at your

3404
02:21:18,740 --> 02:21:16,650
research for for what it really is and I

3405
02:21:20,180 --> 02:21:18,750
and honestly you know I feel for William

3406
02:21:21,740 --> 02:21:20,190
Moore because I really believe that he

3407
02:21:23,240 --> 02:21:21,750
was a person who really wanted the know

3408
02:21:26,900 --> 02:21:23,250
what was happening out there

3409
02:21:28,671 --> 02:21:26,910
and you know just got too close too

3410
02:21:29,720 --> 02:21:28,681
close to an insider who used him maybe

3411
02:21:32,060 --> 02:21:29,730
that would be a better way to say it

3412
02:21:34,070 --> 02:21:32,070
at least he came out and admitted the

3413
02:21:36,080 --> 02:21:34,080
fact of course it destroyed his

3414
02:21:39,020 --> 02:21:36,090
credibility in the UFO field so it

3415
02:21:42,440 --> 02:21:39,030
didn't serve anyone's purpose or did it

3416
02:21:45,530 --> 02:21:42,450
I don't think it served well obviously

3417
02:21:48,320 --> 02:21:45,540
in service for possession even though a

3418
02:21:51,470 --> 02:21:48,330
Mia culpa is is a lot better than being

3419
02:21:53,570 --> 02:21:51,480
in permanent denial right I would agree

3420
02:21:56,211 --> 02:21:53,580
with that or not even permanent denial

3421
02:21:57,770 --> 02:21:56,221
but just or just keeping it quiet you

3422
02:22:00,160 --> 02:21:57,780
know there there are certain things that

3423
02:22:02,511 --> 02:22:00,170
happen in the UFO field where people are

3424
02:22:04,640 --> 02:22:02,521
doing things they shouldn't be doing and

3425
02:22:06,020 --> 02:22:04,650
they're keeping it quiet and I mean you

3426
02:22:09,470 --> 02:22:06,030
know what for example this involvement

3427
02:22:10,610 --> 02:22:09,480
with with Bigelow and and bass and some

3428
02:22:13,910 --> 02:22:10,620
of the things that went on around that

3429
02:22:16,520 --> 02:22:13,920
you know those there has to be a very

3430
02:22:18,860 --> 02:22:16,530
much large amount of transparency when

3431
02:22:20,570 --> 02:22:18,870
when you're going to be involved in

3432
02:22:23,540 --> 02:22:20,580
something of this nature you can't hide

3433
02:22:25,790 --> 02:22:23,550
anything so for example when Bigelow hid

3434
02:22:27,530 --> 02:22:25,800
the source of his funding and would only

3435
02:22:29,301 --> 02:22:27,540
reveal it to John Schuessler on the move

3436
02:22:31,910 --> 02:22:29,311
on board that lack of transparency

3437
02:22:33,320 --> 02:22:31,920
really rubs me the wrong way that tells

3438
02:22:37,040 --> 02:22:33,330
me there's there's there's some things

3439
02:22:38,270 --> 02:22:37,050
being hidden for a certain purpose and I

3440
02:22:40,370 --> 02:22:38,280
don't I don't want to be involved in

3441
02:22:43,040 --> 02:22:40,380
that right and John Schuessler is also

3442
02:22:45,080 --> 02:22:43,050
so well at the time was on the National

3443
02:22:47,960 --> 02:22:45,090
Institute for discovery sciences board

3444
02:22:50,840 --> 02:22:47,970
as well so a little bit of a conflict of

3445
02:22:53,810 --> 02:22:50,850
interest at the very least exactly but

3446
02:22:55,820 --> 02:22:53,820
it goes back to you know when you think

3447
02:22:57,410 --> 02:22:55,830
you can cultivate the inside source and

3448
02:22:59,900 --> 02:22:57,420
get some where you really get end up

3449
02:23:02,810 --> 02:22:59,910
nowhere I think the the graveyard of

3450
02:23:05,420 --> 02:23:02,820
ufology is littered with people who

3451
02:23:07,969 --> 02:23:05,430
ended up wanting to learn the truth but

3452
02:23:10,510 --> 02:23:07,979
in the end not knowing the truth right

3453
02:23:13,520 --> 02:23:10,520
well one thing I'd like to get into is

3454
02:23:16,580 --> 02:23:13,530
when we come come back from our break is

3455
02:23:19,550 --> 02:23:16,590
your thoughts on the Sherman ranch or

3456
02:23:22,250 --> 02:23:19,560
the skinwalker ranch case you know I

3457
02:23:25,969 --> 02:23:22,260
really feel that this is an important

3458
02:23:28,280 --> 02:23:25,979
case it may be a litmus test for the

3459
02:23:30,980 --> 02:23:28,290
kinds of deception that you're referring

3460
02:23:34,370 --> 02:23:30,990
to in the Roseto deception your book and

3461
02:23:36,110 --> 02:23:34,380
also you know a modern-day version a

3462
02:23:38,750 --> 02:23:36,120
potential version of that kind of

3463
02:23:41,330 --> 02:23:38,760
deception and when we come back what do

3464
02:23:45,410 --> 02:23:41,340
you think of that particular scenario up

3465
02:23:47,480 --> 02:23:45,420
there is is it you know as the the Utes

3466
02:23:50,600 --> 02:23:47,490
claim is it some sort of you know the

3467
02:23:52,639 --> 02:23:50,610
ancient sort of force that's you know at

3468
02:23:55,060 --> 02:23:52,649
play there do you think that Biglow is

3469
02:23:57,620 --> 02:23:55,070
involved as a cut-out organization

3470
02:23:59,300 --> 02:23:57,630
protecting some sort of military psyops

3471
02:24:01,250 --> 02:23:59,310
do you think that it's a combination of

3472
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listening to James carry on before we

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here which seems to me inevitable it has

3588
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to come you have to do it man what's

3589
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your response to what Chris had to say

3590
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you know the skinwalker ranch to me is

3591
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is interesting from from for a couple

3592
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reasons to me the mythology I'll call it

3593
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mythology because I don't think what's

3594
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written in the book Ben is accurate this

3595
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is based on personal investigation when

3596
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I went there and was denied access to

3597
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the ranch and then finding out that the

3598
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the brother of the original owner of the

3599
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ranch before was sold to Bigelow was

3600
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very adamant in saying that nothing

3601
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paranormal or strange nature happened

3602
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while his while his brother was owner of

3603
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the ranch husky and he knowses cuz he

3604
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was one of them ranch many times so I

3605
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think there was a mythology built around

3606
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that in the same way that a mythology

3607
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gets built around a number of different

3608
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cases that end up on the silver screen

3609
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as a true story so you know really it

3610
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kind of irks me when I go into a movie

3611
02:30:01,091 --> 02:29:59,420
theater now and the first the opening

3612
02:30:03,280 --> 02:30:01,101
scene the movie is says based on a true

3613
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story because that tells me that

3614
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somebody's gonna embellish the tale and

3615
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they're gonna sensationalize it and in

3616
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in you know sure enough you know you

3617
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find out years later that the tale was

3618
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embellished or something else was added

3619
02:30:18,580 --> 02:30:15,830
to it to sell books

3620
02:30:21,700 --> 02:30:18,590
or whatever and to me that's what the

3621
02:30:23,920 --> 02:30:21,710
skin rat Walker ranch really sounds to

3622
02:30:27,010 --> 02:30:23,930
me based on my personal investigation

3623
02:30:28,540 --> 02:30:27,020
when I went there and did investigation

3624
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around the ranch and talking to a lot of

3625
02:30:32,650 --> 02:30:30,319
folks that lived around the ranch there

3626
02:30:35,230 --> 02:30:32,660
was more alleged strange things going on

3627
02:30:37,150 --> 02:30:35,240
20 30 miles away than that was happening

3628
02:30:38,889 --> 02:30:37,160
on the ranch itself so there's a

3629
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mythology that was being built up why

3630
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was it being built up I think it had

3631
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somewhat to do with you know the

3632
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mythology surrounding area 51 somebody

3633
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wants to continue that mythology the

3634
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same way that the mythology is continued

3635
02:30:53,469 --> 02:30:51,890
around Dulce New Mexico and underground

3636
02:30:55,300 --> 02:30:53,479
bases and a lot of the stuff that we

3637
02:30:57,309 --> 02:30:55,310
hear about that really has no

3638
02:30:59,889 --> 02:30:57,319
substantiation just because a

3639
02:31:02,469 --> 02:30:59,899
billionaire owns a ranch and a book is

3640
02:31:04,599 --> 02:31:02,479
out there written by you know folks that

3641
02:31:04,960 --> 02:31:04,609
allegedly were on the ranch doesn't make

3642
02:31:08,050 --> 02:31:04,970
it true

3643
02:31:10,540 --> 02:31:08,060
well do you want to amplify your your

3644
02:31:13,750 --> 02:31:10,550
answer whoo so do you think it's all

3645
02:31:16,500 --> 02:31:13,760
just smoke and mirrors and there's no

3646
02:31:19,290 --> 02:31:16,510
truth to any possible high strange

3647
02:31:21,940 --> 02:31:19,300
claims of high strange activity there I

3648
02:31:23,650 --> 02:31:21,950
can answer that if I they'll let me take

3649
02:31:26,700 --> 02:31:23,660
my camper down there and let me stay on

3650
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the ranch for me well one thing I must

3651
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mention James is I did go up to the

3652
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ranch before the publicity bandwagon a

3653
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kind of set sail and I really did feel

3654
02:31:43,389 --> 02:31:40,100
that Terry was a very upfront with me I

3655
02:31:45,969 --> 02:31:43,399
I did not get any sense of subterfuge

3656
02:31:47,620 --> 02:31:45,979
from him he seemed legitimately

3657
02:31:51,960 --> 02:31:47,630
concerned about the safety of his family

3658
02:31:54,280 --> 02:31:51,970
and so there was enough there for me to

3659
02:31:55,870 --> 02:31:54,290
you know kind of get a sense that there

3660
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was something very strange going on

3661
02:32:01,240 --> 02:31:58,490
there what it was he didn't know and you

3662
02:32:03,790 --> 02:32:01,250
know to this day I don't know it's a

3663
02:32:07,120 --> 02:32:03,800
very complicated scenario but do you win

3664
02:32:10,210 --> 02:32:07,130
a basin as you pointed out it has a lot

3665
02:32:12,250 --> 02:32:10,220
of activity going on around the ranch

3666
02:32:14,610 --> 02:32:12,260
and in the region there and there's

3667
02:32:19,570 --> 02:32:14,620
documentation that goes back decades

3668
02:32:23,620 --> 02:32:19,580
what would be the motivation for some

3669
02:32:26,800 --> 02:32:23,630
sort of military psyops program um visa

3670
02:32:29,171 --> 02:32:26,810
vie using big low and mids or bass as a

3671
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front cut out sort of organ is

3672
02:32:34,381 --> 02:32:31,641
what would be the motivation to have the

3673
02:32:37,091 --> 02:32:34,391
focus of being placed on the ranch you

3674
02:32:38,680 --> 02:32:37,101
know I'm not sure I know that there was

3675
02:32:41,950 --> 02:32:38,690
some discussion of testing of non-lethal

3676
02:32:44,980 --> 02:32:41,960
weapons there that was a rumor I'm not

3677
02:32:46,600 --> 02:32:44,990
sure how true the rumor is but you know

3678
02:32:49,871 --> 02:32:46,610
if you can if there's a if there's a

3679
02:32:51,400 --> 02:32:49,881
particular weapon that can you know

3680
02:32:53,921 --> 02:32:51,410
stimulate a part of the brain that

3681
02:32:56,051 --> 02:32:53,931
causes fear it would be a good way to

3682
02:32:57,430 --> 02:32:56,061
test it there because if you're causing

3683
02:32:59,381 --> 02:32:57,440
fear then somebody has something to be

3684
02:33:00,640 --> 02:32:59,391
afraid of when they read this story so I

3685
02:33:03,041 --> 02:33:00,650
don't know I can't it's only speculation

3686
02:33:04,930 --> 02:33:03,051
I can't really say exactly what's

3687
02:33:07,301 --> 02:33:04,940
happening why it's happening

3688
02:33:08,770 --> 02:33:07,311
what the motivation is I really have

3689
02:33:10,720 --> 02:33:08,780
nothing to offer there all I know is

3690
02:33:13,541 --> 02:33:10,730
there's a lack of transparency and this

3691
02:33:16,660 --> 02:33:13,551
lack of transparency happened even back

3692
02:33:18,850 --> 02:33:16,670
when in 2008 when I was involved with

3693
02:33:21,700 --> 02:33:18,860
the Discovery Channel on doing the

3694
02:33:23,470 --> 02:33:21,710
show's UFO over earth one of the things

3695
02:33:25,030 --> 02:33:23,480
I proposed was let's take the crew and

3696
02:33:28,030 --> 02:33:25,040
go to the ranch let's investigate that

3697
02:33:30,251 --> 02:33:28,040
and we were flatly denied by Bigelow so

3698
02:33:32,740 --> 02:33:30,261
come on if you if you if you're really

3699
02:33:34,570 --> 02:33:32,750
trying to be transparent about what's

3700
02:33:36,640 --> 02:33:34,580
happening there and and to actually

3701
02:33:38,291 --> 02:33:36,650
support what's happening there what's

3702
02:33:40,600 --> 02:33:38,301
wrong with letting a TV crew on there to

3703
02:33:42,910 --> 02:33:40,610
document it and that was denied when I

3704
02:33:45,100 --> 02:33:42,920
went there and investigated personally I

3705
02:33:47,051 --> 02:33:45,110
was also denied so the lack of

3706
02:33:48,341 --> 02:33:47,061
transparency and the claim of personal

3707
02:33:50,501 --> 02:33:48,351
safety and all this so that I don't buy

3708
02:33:52,091 --> 02:33:50,511
it all I know is that somebody's off you

3709
02:33:54,581 --> 02:33:52,101
skating what's really going on

3710
02:33:56,261 --> 02:33:54,591
and I don't think it has to do with with

3711
02:33:58,091 --> 02:33:56,271
protecting people's lives I think has

3712
02:34:00,581 --> 02:33:58,101
something else to do well do you think

3713
02:34:02,350 --> 02:34:00,591
that it could possibly be sort of a red

3714
02:34:04,450 --> 02:34:02,360
herring watch the right hand while the

3715
02:34:06,850 --> 02:34:04,460
real stuff is going on maybe in the

3716
02:34:08,381 --> 02:34:06,860
region but elsewhere absolutely I think

3717
02:34:10,270 --> 02:34:08,391
one of the things that really struck me

3718
02:34:12,220 --> 02:34:10,280
was talking to somebody who's been on

3719
02:34:15,430 --> 02:34:12,230
the ranch a number of times you know

3720
02:34:17,680 --> 02:34:15,440
that there was discovery of these metal

3721
02:34:20,801 --> 02:34:17,690
rods on the ranch and then this

3722
02:34:22,450 --> 02:34:20,811
gentleman was told by an it's scientist

3723
02:34:25,390 --> 02:34:22,460
Piccolo's organization that they were

3724
02:34:28,990 --> 02:34:25,400
they were element 114 rods which ties

3725
02:34:32,261 --> 02:34:29,000
into the whole area 51 story and 114 or

3726
02:34:33,791 --> 02:34:32,271
115 I was actually I can't remember I

3727
02:34:36,940 --> 02:34:33,801
whatever it was whatever was was

3728
02:34:40,660 --> 02:34:36,950
allegedly discovered by Boris or seen by

3729
02:34:41,030 --> 02:34:40,670
Bob Lazar at at area 51 15 junior Hicks

3730
02:34:52,970 --> 02:34:41,040
was

3731
02:34:55,520 --> 02:34:52,980
equated to a tractor part well but but

3732
02:34:58,520 --> 02:34:55,530
he was being told that it was element

3733
02:35:00,320 --> 02:34:58,530
115 right so somebody wanted him to

3734
02:35:02,090 --> 02:35:00,330
believe that there was something a

3735
02:35:04,640 --> 02:35:02,100
highly strange about those rods and

3736
02:35:07,430 --> 02:35:04,650
where does that tie back into it ties

3737
02:35:09,580 --> 02:35:07,440
back into area 51 and ties back into Bob

3738
02:35:11,750 --> 02:35:09,590
Lazar it ties back into the mythology

3739
02:35:13,370 --> 02:35:11,760
right so why does there have to be a

3740
02:35:15,440 --> 02:35:13,380
tie-in to the mythology if there's real

3741
02:35:17,690 --> 02:35:15,450
activity going on in the ranch a good

3742
02:35:19,900 --> 02:35:17,700
point in in in terms of accuracy hunt

3743
02:35:23,300 --> 02:35:19,910
for the skinwalker had one glaring

3744
02:35:25,430 --> 02:35:23,310
inaccuracy in relation to that

3745
02:35:27,890 --> 02:35:25,440
particular event where the dogs chased

3746
02:35:30,500 --> 02:35:27,900
off after one of these blue

3747
02:35:33,170 --> 02:35:30,510
softball-sized of balls of light and

3748
02:35:35,120 --> 02:35:33,180
then you know subsequently the following

3749
02:35:38,511 --> 02:35:35,130
morning Terry went out there and found

3750
02:35:40,640 --> 02:35:38,521
grease piles as he put it when I read it

3751
02:35:43,610 --> 02:35:40,650
in the book the date was off by nine

3752
02:35:46,070 --> 02:35:43,620
months I was literally on the phone with

3753
02:35:47,930 --> 02:35:46,080
Terry when that event occurred when the

3754
02:35:49,820 --> 02:35:47,940
dogs chased off and he said I have to

3755
02:35:51,590 --> 02:35:49,830
get off the phone and try to try to get

3756
02:35:53,210 --> 02:35:51,600
my dogs to come back and the next

3757
02:35:56,210 --> 02:35:53,220
morning I found out that that he

3758
02:35:58,511 --> 02:35:56,220
discovered them and his emotion was

3759
02:36:01,940 --> 02:35:58,521
genuine in his voice those dogs were

3760
02:36:04,850 --> 02:36:01,950
melted into piles of grease in terms of

3761
02:36:06,860 --> 02:36:04,860
my interpretation of his emotional you

3762
02:36:10,100 --> 02:36:06,870
know bearing when he told me that's the

3763
02:36:12,020 --> 02:36:10,110
following morning but in the book no I

3764
02:36:15,830 --> 02:36:12,030
mean he had it happen you know nine

3765
02:36:17,690 --> 02:36:15,840
months prior to that so you can't judge

3766
02:36:20,990 --> 02:36:17,700
a book by its cover and you can't judge

3767
02:36:23,540 --> 02:36:21,000
the contents of the book in some sense

3768
02:36:26,330 --> 02:36:23,550
of the word but I think it's I think we

3769
02:36:29,630 --> 02:36:26,340
can judge lack of transparency that's

3770
02:36:32,810 --> 02:36:29,640
true yeah that's that's always a a real

3771
02:36:34,730 --> 02:36:32,820
I think important indicator James were

3772
02:36:37,250 --> 02:36:34,740
just about out of time let me ask you

3773
02:36:38,540 --> 02:36:37,260
very quickly here if our listeners want

3774
02:36:41,240 --> 02:36:38,550
to know more about the things you're

3775
02:36:43,700 --> 02:36:41,250
doing is there a site they can go to or

3776
02:36:45,920 --> 02:36:43,710
place they could write you absolutely I

3777
02:36:50,420 --> 02:36:45,930
have a blog it's called Rosetta

3778
02:36:53,720 --> 02:36:50,430
deception dot blog spot.com you can also

3779
02:36:54,760 --> 02:36:53,730
go to my follow the magic thread blog

3780
02:36:56,469 --> 02:36:54,770
and there's a link to it

3781
02:36:58,840 --> 02:36:56,479
there and what I'm doing is I'm actually

3782
02:37:00,040 --> 02:36:58,850
taking all of the footnotes that are in

3783
02:37:02,250 --> 02:37:00,050
the book

3784
02:37:05,290 --> 02:37:02,260
and I'm posting all the associated

3785
02:37:07,149 --> 02:37:05,300
documents that I've uncovered so these

3786
02:37:09,250 --> 02:37:07,159
are things out of books out of the

3787
02:37:12,250 --> 02:37:09,260
National Archives I actually live in the

3788
02:37:13,990 --> 02:37:12,260
in the Virginia area right now so I can

3789
02:37:16,359 --> 02:37:14,000
get to the archives fairly easily now

3790
02:37:19,269 --> 02:37:16,369
and my research isn't over there's a lot

3791
02:37:20,529 --> 02:37:19,279
more research to be done and as you

3792
02:37:22,809 --> 02:37:20,539
alluded to earlier there will be a

3793
02:37:27,990 --> 02:37:22,819
second book coming out tentatively just

3794
02:37:31,630 --> 02:37:28,000
will be titled the Roswell deception oh

3795
02:37:33,010 --> 02:37:31,640
all right dum dee dum dum we're gonna

3796
02:37:34,679 --> 02:37:33,020
want to have you back for that one

3797
02:37:37,479 --> 02:37:34,689
that's gonna be certainly fascinating

3798
02:37:39,189 --> 02:37:37,489
taking it to the next logical step we

3799
02:37:40,899 --> 02:37:39,199
can take Chris O'Brien to his next

3800
02:37:43,630 --> 02:37:40,909
logical step because he has a site

3801
02:37:45,609 --> 02:37:43,640
called our strange planet com our

3802
02:37:47,830 --> 02:37:45,619
strange planet that come and as we've

3803
02:37:50,679 --> 02:37:47,840
mentioned before his latest book is

3804
02:37:53,529 --> 02:37:50,689
stalking the herd if you want to copy

3805
02:37:56,439 --> 02:37:53,539
yes you can go to Amazon but if you go

3806
02:37:59,019 --> 02:37:56,449
to Chris's site to buy the book he keeps

3807
02:38:01,240 --> 02:37:59,029
all the money you know Amazon you know

3808
02:38:02,800 --> 02:38:01,250
Jeff Bezos is a cheapskate that's why so

3809
02:38:04,779 --> 02:38:02,810
rich shineth of course I'll never get a

3810
02:38:07,840 --> 02:38:04,789
book on Amazon after saying that but

3811
02:38:10,120 --> 02:38:07,850
seriously speaking he will sign the book

3812
02:38:12,399 --> 02:38:10,130
and he'll number the book our strange

3813
02:38:14,710 --> 02:38:12,409
planet com you can check us out on

3814
02:38:17,080 --> 02:38:14,720
Twitter where we are known as the para

3815
02:38:19,420 --> 02:38:17,090
cast we are the para cast on Twitter

3816
02:38:21,849 --> 02:38:19,430
we're on Facebook as the para cast fan

3817
02:38:26,410 --> 02:38:21,859
club there are two of them and nobody

3818
02:38:28,389 --> 02:38:26,420
knows how to make them into one fan club

3819
02:38:30,639 --> 02:38:28,399
without killing some of the information

3820
02:38:33,099 --> 02:38:30,649
if there's an expert out there let us

3821
02:38:35,800 --> 02:38:33,109
know about it or check our site the para

3822
02:38:38,349 --> 02:38:35,810
cast com where you can download every

3823
02:38:40,479 --> 02:38:38,359
single episode of the para cast either

3824
02:38:42,910 --> 02:38:40,489
in one session or many sessions

3825
02:38:44,979 --> 02:38:42,920
James carrion thanks for joining us on

3826
02:38:54,020 --> 02:38:44,989
the para cast thank you James thank you

3827
02:39:00,200 --> 02:38:57,320
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3828
02:39:03,190 --> 02:39:00,210
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3829
02:39:06,920 --> 02:39:03,200
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